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re: A firing has to be imminent at this point
Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:42 pm to Russell2Bowe
Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:42 pm to Russell2Bowe
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This has been my thought. Even if Jimbo isn't coming, Les can't come back after all this unrest.
Well everyone here who claims to have some experience in management or as a business leader knows that there is virtually no way for CLM to effectively lead the program after this. Alleva's punk arse and most of his staff would have to go, as well as some trustees and boosters. This was a revolt. Both sides can't survive and play nice. I expect a formal announcement after the game if we lose or by mid week if we win.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:42 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I still think Les stays for 3 or 4 more years. Been saying that all along.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:43 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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But there are other good options. LSU should not panic.
Every day past Saturday without an announcement of a new coach does damage to the program.
It was always a long shot to have a replacement in line. But, the reality is that without one, we risk losing all of our assistant coaches...and with that we lose the recruiting class.
Orgeron and Wilson were the biggest asset in this program. That's what needed to be saved.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:44 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Not really. Alleva can easily say that he didn't feel compelled to acknowledge the media circus, and that evaluations always take place after season. Then he can cite the very reasons the media is currently bashing LSU as reasons Les is staying, and the PR will actually be very positive.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:45 pm to siliconvalleytiger
The more I think about it, the more I think firing Miles is not the way to go about this.
The way Alleva has handled this has just been flat out bad. All I have seen him say is that he "has no comment."
Leaving Miles to fend for himself. Regardless of how you feel about Miles as a coach, he has done amazing things during his time at LSU. Won a National Championship, gotten to another one, sustained the program post-Saban.
Recruiting classes in the top 5.
Miles is still human, he has a family and I can't fathom how his family is feeling. Are we staying? Are we moving?
It's along similar lines with the recruiting class currently lined up. "Who will I be playing for? Miles? Orgeron? Some nobody?"
Alleva could put some of these questions to rest if he would say something. Not just clam up and do nothing.
The media has turned this into a huge speculation circus and part of that falls into Alleva's lap for not saying something.
Like I said earlier, firing Miles is not the way to go about doing it. I think he's owed at least resigning or "retiring." The man has done too much at LSU to just go and fire him like he just walked through the door late to work for the 5th time.
I understand how we've looked the last 3 games and nothing changes. I do understand all that.
The way Alleva has handled this has just been flat out bad. All I have seen him say is that he "has no comment."
Leaving Miles to fend for himself. Regardless of how you feel about Miles as a coach, he has done amazing things during his time at LSU. Won a National Championship, gotten to another one, sustained the program post-Saban.
Recruiting classes in the top 5.
Miles is still human, he has a family and I can't fathom how his family is feeling. Are we staying? Are we moving?
It's along similar lines with the recruiting class currently lined up. "Who will I be playing for? Miles? Orgeron? Some nobody?"
Alleva could put some of these questions to rest if he would say something. Not just clam up and do nothing.
The media has turned this into a huge speculation circus and part of that falls into Alleva's lap for not saying something.
Like I said earlier, firing Miles is not the way to go about doing it. I think he's owed at least resigning or "retiring." The man has done too much at LSU to just go and fire him like he just walked through the door late to work for the 5th time.
I understand how we've looked the last 3 games and nothing changes. I do understand all that.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:47 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Either Les or Joe needs to go. . I want some butts!
Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:49 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I have no inside information. Like most, all I can do is scour evety available forum and source and make determinations about consistency and credibility. Over the last few days, I thought the best data pointed to Miles departure and a potential hire of Jimbo. But since the inadvertant wave of publicity caused by the gridiron report, something appears to have changed. Now the most credible sources seem to be indicating there is a substantial chance Miles stays. I don't know if a firing is imminent. I just don't know.
Depresses me, honestly. Just a game, but I love LSU FB. Thought we were on the cusp of something exciting.
Depresses me, honestly. Just a game, but I love LSU FB. Thought we were on the cusp of something exciting.
This post was edited on 11/27/15 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:49 pm to la_birdman
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Like I said earlier, firing Miles is not the way to go about doing it. I think he's owed at least resigning or "retiring." The man has done too much at LSU to just go and fire him like he just walked through the door late to work for the 5th time.
That's what I've been trying to tell people. No way in hell LSU fires the winninest football HC in LSU history. It's not happening. Les isn't leaving anytime soon.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:49 pm to la_birdman
Not firing him though will leave a lot of doubt next year with the players, recruits, fans, everyone. Too difficult to operate a program with so much baggage will be impossible.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 9:58 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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Not firing him though will leave a lot of doubt next year with the players, recruits, fans, everyone
I've thought about this too.
I would think, given what has happened this week with all these rumors going every which way, I would think that Miles has gotten the message.
IF major changes aren't made, OC, DC, play calling, stubbornness, you are in real danger of losing your job.
Miles obviously cares about the school and the program.
No NCAA sanctions, little trouble with players off campus (there has been some, I understand that but I know of other programs that are way worse). He runs a clean program.
If Miles just wanted to get paid, he would've walked. Gimme the money, I'm out.
He wouldn't agree to these interviews and such.
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Too difficult to operate a program with so much baggage will be impossible.
Also difficult to operate a program when the AD doesn't do anything to defend his football program.
Like I said, it's just turned into a madhouse now.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:01 pm to la_birdman
The best scenario right now for me is he gets fired, we get a good replacement and salvage most of the recruiting class with a more seasoned team returning next year.
It may be too much to expect, I do understand that as well.
It may be too much to expect, I do understand that as well.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:05 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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Not firing him though will leave a lot of doubt next year with the players, recruits, fans, everyone. Too difficult to operate a program with so much baggage will be impossible.
Are you kidding? He actually looks stronger than ever.... He is still here after all this $hit talk. We will have to call him Les "Big Cat" Miles, his a$$ has nine lives.
Now, Aleva might be the dead man walking if all this backfires on him. And I don't want to hear "he didn't do anything". He either leaked or allowed this to be leaked because he doesn't know how to handle a situation like this..,plus he hasn't said a word on the record to put a stop to the speculation. And yes, there is a MUCH better way that this could've been handled.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:05 pm to la_birdman
I could see Miles leaving whether he is asked to leave or not. I just can't see him staying after he was treated by the AD. Alleva would look the fool if Les leaves and he doesn't have a replacment locked up.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:10 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I have always thought nothing would be said or done until after the last game and never believed any of the posters with "inside sources and info". I still think he's gone but just don't think it will be Fisher replacing him. Something just doesn't sit well with it all and believe alleva has really fricked the entire situation up.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:13 pm to Chrome
You people are nuts. This is out of control because of the MEDIA!!! Alleva said no comment until after season. That is all he owes everyone outside of the AD Office. You people are fricking morons if you think Miles and Alleva haven't had plenty of discussions the last two years about the programs direction. All this shite is suppose to stay behind closed doors and would have if some fat cat didn't open his big mouth. So, if you don't like how it has been handled, blame the media. You say you can't stand all the speculation that he is being fired, while all your doing is speculating yourself, just as the media is.
This post was edited on 11/27/15 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:14 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Well, gonna play devil's advocate here (this might have been brought up, but I haven't seen it yet):
Perhaps everyone in administration (Alleva) had decided before last year's bowl game that this season was either an SEC Championship (and maybe, beating Alabama specifically), or Les' last one.
Coaching reactions:
Chavis- not sold on the overall chances, too old to risk getting caught in the backlash and have to find a new job. Tried to buy security by having his contract reworded so he's not tied to Miles, it failed, Sumlin and A&M caught wind of it, and made the steal. Chavis has bought a couple more years of job security at a wealthy program, he's now set to retire.
Orgeron- the "ringer". Miles would acknowledge that his recruiting was a good thing, and he can fix the D line. But both Miles and Alleva are fully aware that Orgeron is capable of being an "interim head coach", so in a way Miles is aware the deck is being stacked against him. Miles delays signing off on the hire awhile, but eventually goes along with it, thinking O can also help save his job.
Miles- backed against a wall, surveys his options, comes out swinging. Fournette is his best chance at victory right now, not developing a passing game. "I don't have time for Harris to have growing pains, I need to win". Everyone on the staff, Cameron included, knows the deal, and the team becomes extremely focused on one thing- get the O line and Fournette into as good of a rhythm as possible, and hope it's enough. Harris isn't going to win at Bama, it's Fournette or nothing.
This works for awhile, but crashes to a halt against the Tide.
Result- it's over, except for the thank you notes. Everyone knows the required test was failed, and regardless of any professionalism, nobody can put any heart into the Arkansas game, which might have been irrelevant at this point. And that made the Ole Miss game what it was, too.
Not saying this IS the case, but it would fit with what we are seeing. The effort and preparation on the field, as well as the comments leaking out when they did.
Perhaps everyone in administration (Alleva) had decided before last year's bowl game that this season was either an SEC Championship (and maybe, beating Alabama specifically), or Les' last one.
Coaching reactions:
Chavis- not sold on the overall chances, too old to risk getting caught in the backlash and have to find a new job. Tried to buy security by having his contract reworded so he's not tied to Miles, it failed, Sumlin and A&M caught wind of it, and made the steal. Chavis has bought a couple more years of job security at a wealthy program, he's now set to retire.
Orgeron- the "ringer". Miles would acknowledge that his recruiting was a good thing, and he can fix the D line. But both Miles and Alleva are fully aware that Orgeron is capable of being an "interim head coach", so in a way Miles is aware the deck is being stacked against him. Miles delays signing off on the hire awhile, but eventually goes along with it, thinking O can also help save his job.
Miles- backed against a wall, surveys his options, comes out swinging. Fournette is his best chance at victory right now, not developing a passing game. "I don't have time for Harris to have growing pains, I need to win". Everyone on the staff, Cameron included, knows the deal, and the team becomes extremely focused on one thing- get the O line and Fournette into as good of a rhythm as possible, and hope it's enough. Harris isn't going to win at Bama, it's Fournette or nothing.
This works for awhile, but crashes to a halt against the Tide.
Result- it's over, except for the thank you notes. Everyone knows the required test was failed, and regardless of any professionalism, nobody can put any heart into the Arkansas game, which might have been irrelevant at this point. And that made the Ole Miss game what it was, too.
Not saying this IS the case, but it would fit with what we are seeing. The effort and preparation on the field, as well as the comments leaking out when they did.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:17 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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Not firing him though will leave a lot of doubt next year with the players, recruits, fans, everyone. Too difficult to operate a program with so much baggage will be impossible.
Not going to be able to replace any of the assistants with anyone worth a shite either. What coach is going to take a job under those conditions
Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:18 pm to lsufball19
Yep. Do it now and minimize damage. New guy comes in and wins 10 or 11 games and you're back on track. It's a risk but keeping him at this point could be a disaster.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:19 pm to lsufball19
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Not going to be able to replace any of the assistants with anyone worth a shite either. What coach is going to take a job under those conditions
You phrased it better than I did but those are my exact thoughts as well.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 10:19 pm to crobe18
If the money behind LSU fires Miles, it will prove the adage that you don't have to be smart to be rich.
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