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"3-4 losses/year doesn't cut it at LSU"
Posted on 11/24/09 at 8:56 am
Posted on 11/24/09 at 8:56 am
I've read this sentiment repeatedly over the last few weeks on this board. Apparently, LSU is a program that should be losing, at most, 1 or 2 games a year. The problem with that, is that LSU has never has been that program.
In the 35 seasons before Miles became head coach (starting in 1970), five ended with fewer than 3 losses (1972, 1985, 1987, 1996, 2003). You can count them on one hand.
Here's my point... don't rewrite history just because LSU has had some recent success. I agree that LSU can be winning more than they currently are, but to all of the sudden pretend that LSU is a program that doesn't tolerate 3-4 loss seasons is ridiculous. They've tolerated it with every coach that they've ever had (including Dietzel, Chollie Mac, and St. Nick).
In the 35 seasons before Miles became head coach (starting in 1970), five ended with fewer than 3 losses (1972, 1985, 1987, 1996, 2003). You can count them on one hand.
Here's my point... don't rewrite history just because LSU has had some recent success. I agree that LSU can be winning more than they currently are, but to all of the sudden pretend that LSU is a program that doesn't tolerate 3-4 loss seasons is ridiculous. They've tolerated it with every coach that they've ever had (including Dietzel, Chollie Mac, and St. Nick).
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:00 am to jholme9
this post is too full of reasoning..therefore - you die.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:01 am to jholme9
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In the 35 seasons before Miles became head coach (starting in 1970), five ended with fewer than 3 losses (1972, 1985, 1987, 1996, 2003). You can count them on one hand.
NO WAY LSU IS DA BESHDT EVAR!!!!!!!! NFL TEAM WE COULD BEAT DA RAIDERS BY 50!!!!!!
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:03 am to Tiger Voodoo
i am confused as to how so many of you are ok with mediocredity, if you dont think you are the best, you will never be the best
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:03 am to Tiger Voodoo
I dont think its neccessarily the records that are troubling. 3 losses isnt that bad for most any team... But its the way the team plays and narrowly escapes alot of games. Theyre arent that disciplined. Key positions dont seem to improve. Many questionable coaching decisions...etc
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:05 am to Penn
That was the past. This is the future. Three losses should be worse case scenario for this football program.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:06 am to Penn
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i am confused as to how so many of you are ok with mediocredity, if you dont think you are the best, you will never be the best
You got it wrong, Cap. It's not the fans that tolerate 3 and 4 loss seasons, but, rather, the "LSU powers that be."
For whatever reason, I don't know, but, LSU has a history of being a 3 to 4 loss team a year with consistent losses to Bama and the other powerhouses.
So, we are back to where we traditionally have been.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:10 am to jholme9
Let me ask you this - are you willing to take 3 to 4 losses every year going forward and NEVER again compete for SEC and National Championships? Because if that's okay with you then it's okay to lose 3 or 4 every year. I don't think we're rewriting history, there's been a change this decade in what fans expect now that we've won two national championships in the last 6 season. We've gone several years, especially under Miles with losing just a couple games and as a result won an SEC and National title in one of those years; same with Saban. But we lost FIVE last year and those five were SEC games. We've lost 3 so far this year, all SEC games and are very banged up heading into this Arkansas game. We are 7-8 in the last two years in SEC games. That's what fans are bitching about and rightly so. History doesn't have to repeat itself when it comes to losing games. LSU has taken it to another level this decade and we want to maintain that level, not slip back to the way it used to be.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:10 am to jholme9
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jholme9
ok...Les Miles himself said over and over in the offseason...8-5 doesnt cut it at LSU...paraphrasing but that was the jist of it...we are now staring down 5 losses again this year..doesnt cut it
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:10 am to ColeLSU
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I dont think its neccessarily the records that are troubling. 3 losses isnt that bad for most any team... But its the way the team plays and narrowly escapes alot of games. Theyre arent that disciplined. Key positions dont seem to improve. Many questionable coaching decisions...etc
This is probably my biggest problem - and I'm on the Miles bandwagon.
I agree that 3 losses in the SEC is a pretty decent season. With the talent and money, LSU should be a mixture of 1-4 losses in a season with an SECW title every 2-3 years and an SEC championship every 3-5 ... at a minimum.
Even if the team finishes 10-3, this season has been very mediocre with some favorable final scores.
This really stems from having an inept offense however. It's hard to dominate with that.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:13 am to jholme9
...even ONE loss a year is unacceptable!
..Coaches should get only ONE YEAR CONTRACTS.. U Lose, Ur OUT!
..YEAH!...Thats what I say! Yeah!
..we don' cotton up to no losin' 'round heah! :jump1:
..Coaches should get only ONE YEAR CONTRACTS.. U Lose, Ur OUT!
..YEAH!...Thats what I say! Yeah!
..we don' cotton up to no losin' 'round heah! :jump1:
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:13 am to MFV
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That was the past. This is the future. Three losses should be worse case scenario for this football program.
Agreed. When you win 2 national titles, 3 SEC titles, and 4 SEC west titles in a decade things change. Of course LSU hasn't been one of the top 5 programs in its history, but over the past 10 years it has been. I find nothing wrong with fans that wish to keep this recent tradition of excellence going.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:18 am to DestrehanTiger
Of course the fans want to keep dominating in the SEC, but, the fans don't run the program.
All I'm saying is that, traditionally for the LSU powers that be, 3 loss seasons on a consistent basis has never been a big problem.
3 loss seasons have been consistently acceptable in the past.
I think people forgot that LSU football went from 1958 to 2003 without a NC. There's your PROOF that the LSU powers that be have accepted mediocrity in the past.
My guess is that they accept mediocrity now.
All I'm saying is that, traditionally for the LSU powers that be, 3 loss seasons on a consistent basis has never been a big problem.
3 loss seasons have been consistently acceptable in the past.
I think people forgot that LSU football went from 1958 to 2003 without a NC. There's your PROOF that the LSU powers that be have accepted mediocrity in the past.
My guess is that they accept mediocrity now.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:19 am to jholme9
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The problem with that, is that LSU has never has been that program.
And never will be if people with your mindset are running things.
WTF does it matter what LSU was in the 70s? We are talking about LSU of the 2000s. We have seen that we can win or compete seriously for championships nearly every year, and now anything less than that is a failure.
Look at the top 10 programs today. Some of them are historically great and some are not. Look at Michigan. Look at Florida State. Look at TCU and Oregon. College football is not the same today as it was when the Bear was around.
And frankly, we don't play that many great teams year in and year out. SOMEBODY is going to lose 2 or less in the SEC in most years. Why not us?
Lastly, if we as a fanbase and program want to accept 3-4 losses a year, then fine. It's not my decision. But then let's stop paying top dollar.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:19 am to jholme9
5-3 in the SEC is a solid campaign
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:21 am to DestrehanTiger
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I find nothing wrong with fans that wish to keep this recent tradition of excellence going.
I agree that there isn't anything wrong with wanting to keep the success going.
My point is that 3-4 losses/year always has cut it and honestly, it probably still does.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:22 am to jholme9
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My point is that 3-4 losses/year always has cut it and honestly,
sounds like you are drinking the same koolaid, and this is the problem
we should not settle
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:23 am to jholme9
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The problem with that, is that LSU has never has been that program.
by that logic, only the traditional powerhouses should ever aspire to greatness.
saban changed the culture here, and showed us we can be a bona fide powerhouse. i don't think it's unreasonable to to work to maintain that.
if you tolerate mediocrity, you'll get mediocrity. if we collectively are always happy w/ 3-4 losses, and that's the standard to which we hold ourselves, that's what we'll get.
like a poster above, i think 1-4 losses a year are certainly reasonable. but we're not so much losing this year as looking totally inept at times.
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 9:26 am
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:23 am to Champagne
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I think people forgot that LSU football went from 1958 to 2003 without a NC. There's your PROOF that the LSU powers that be have accepted mediocrity in the past.
That era also didn't have TAF, top facilities, and anywhere close to the type of money that has been put into the LSU program. The "LSU powers" helped build LSU into a top 5 program and I highly doubt they will accept mediocrity now just because we did in a different era of college football.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:24 am to Champagne
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All I'm saying is that, traditionally for the LSU powers that be, 3 loss seasons on a consistent basis has never been a big problem.
3 loss seasons have been consistently acceptable in the past.
It's not just the losses, it's not getting to the SECCG and BCS bowl games. They would take a 5-3 SEC record if that got us an SEC title like 2001.
It's all about getting to Atlanta and into BCS bowl games. That's where we're going to make the money and keep us in the national spotlight.
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