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2016 Football season will look much like 2011 but we only have to beat Bama once
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:33 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:33 am
Better coaching staff
QB play will be as good
RB's better
OL - as good to better
WR/TE - as good to better - I love this WR group crazy big but I want to see very few drops this year
DL - ? will see but I have no concern about DL
LB - as good
DB's - we shall see - no HB
ST's - we shall see - no HB
Most of you are talking QB - for me I want to see how great this D can be and a much improved ST play
I will take it one game at a time but I am smelling a rout of Wisky - something like 41 to 10
Geaux Tigers
QB play will be as good
RB's better
OL - as good to better
WR/TE - as good to better - I love this WR group crazy big but I want to see very few drops this year
DL - ? will see but I have no concern about DL
LB - as good
DB's - we shall see - no HB
ST's - we shall see - no HB
Most of you are talking QB - for me I want to see how great this D can be and a much improved ST play
I will take it one game at a time but I am smelling a rout of Wisky - something like 41 to 10
Geaux Tigers
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:35 am to TigerCliff777
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but we only have to beat Bama once
I hope this is true. But the narrative is already pumping a rematch in the playoffs. I hope they're wrong. But nothing would surprise me.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:37 am to TigerCliff777
Better coaching staff AGREED
QB play will be as good UNKNOWN
RB's better AGREED
OL - as good to better UNKNOWN, BIG ?, DOMINATED LAST YEAR BY GOOD TALENT
WR/TE - as good to better - I love this WR group crazy big but I want to see very few drops this year NO WAY, 2011 BECKHAM RANDLE ETC.
DL - ? will see but I have no concern about DL NO WAY, 2011 BROCKERS, LOGAN, MONTGOMMERY
LB - as good UNKNOWN, 2011 MINTER, BARROW
DB's - we shall see - no HB NO WAY, 2011 REID LOSTON MATHIEU CLAIBORNE
ST's - we shall see - no HB NO WAY, AGREED
QB play will be as good UNKNOWN
RB's better AGREED
OL - as good to better UNKNOWN, BIG ?, DOMINATED LAST YEAR BY GOOD TALENT
WR/TE - as good to better - I love this WR group crazy big but I want to see very few drops this year NO WAY, 2011 BECKHAM RANDLE ETC.
DL - ? will see but I have no concern about DL NO WAY, 2011 BROCKERS, LOGAN, MONTGOMMERY
LB - as good UNKNOWN, 2011 MINTER, BARROW
DB's - we shall see - no HB NO WAY, 2011 REID LOSTON MATHIEU CLAIBORNE
ST's - we shall see - no HB NO WAY, AGREED
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 7:44 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:40 am to Guava Jelly
With the 4 team playoff, the odds become even more likely of a rematch. If the 4 team playoff was around in '11, Bama most likely would have had to beat twice as well.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:46 am to GEAUXTIGER23
quote:Not sure about that... seems that committee is heavily factoring winning your own conference. We'll likely see 4 conference champions as the final 4 for some time to come.
With the 4 team playoff, the odds become even more likely of a rematch
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:46 am to TigerCliff777
keep in mind that the offense was horrible for most of the Arkansas game and the SEC championship game. Without HB, we could have lost either or both of those games.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:51 am to The Mick
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QB play will be as good UNKNOWN
You don't think with an extra year of experience he will be at least as good as he was last year? With the exception of EXTREMELY rare cases like JJ, quarterbacks don't regress from one year to the next.
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DOMINATED LAST YEAR BY GOOD TALENT
This is misleading. They were dominated in pass pro. Run blocking was among the best in the country, even vs great DL.
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WR/TE - as good to better - I love this WR group crazy big but I want to see very few drops this year NO WAY, 2011 BECKHAM RANDLE ETC.
Better may be an overstatement. But we are as stacked with talent at WR as we have ever been.
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DB's - we shall see - no HB NO WAY, 2011 REID LOSTON MATHIEU CLAIBORNE
No TM. But again, we have greater depth of talent at the position than I can recall us ever having. No reason to think there is "no way" they could be as good.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:52 am to Guava Jelly
Same thoughts. WHEN we beat BAMA, if that is their 1st loss, they will start the 'still make the CFP/rematch' machine on Sunday morning. We'll still have to win the SEC, and they will win out and look to sneak in....
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:53 am to Guava Jelly
quote:Did you watch the Bama game?
Run blocking was among the best in the country, even vs great DL
quote:I hope he will be but we're comparing him to the 2011 team not last year. QB play was pretty good overall in 2011.
You don't think with an extra year of experience he will be at least as good as he was last year?
quote:You're not thinking clearly. 2011 was the best DB lineup we ever had.
DB's - No TM. But again, we have greater depth of talent at the position than I can recall us ever having. No reason to think there is "no way" they could be as good.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 7:56 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:57 am to TigerCliff777
2011 defense probably best in college football history. Took a very good and talented Alabama to beat us on the second try.
This team is one-year-older and very talented. Expectations are high. We shall see. QB play is crucial if not paramount.
This team is one-year-older and very talented. Expectations are high. We shall see. QB play is crucial if not paramount.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 8:06 am to The Mick
quote:
Did you watch the Bama game?
You going to blame the OL for a stacked box vs the best DL in the country? Seems fair.
quote:
QB play was pretty good overall in 2011.
That's fair. I was just saying is if BH improves moderately, his play would be comparable.
quote:
2011 was the best DB lineup we ever had.
I agree 100%. But we also have as much or more young talent and experience top to bottom in the defensive backfield going into this season than we did in '11. I'm not saying they will be better, or even as good. But there's no reason to think it isn't a possibility.
It's also worth noting that the 2014 team had similar passing defensive stats to the 2011 team. Opposing teams actually had fewer yards per game and a lower completion percentage.
The biggest difference was in turnovers forced (13 interceptions in 2011 to 10 in 2014), which gets at the greater reason that defense as a whole was so dominant. They forced turnovers better than any team I've ever seen.
But, if we're looking at a strictly coverage passing defense, I see no reason this team can't possibly be on the same level.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 8:16 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 8:27 am to Guava Jelly
Don't beat me up over my ? for the DB's
I agree about the DB machine of 2011 - best I ever saw at Lsu
In saying that I think this DB group can be very good and should be one of the top groups in the SEC for 2016
The #1 fall off from the 2011 team would be the DB's
The #2 fall off would be the concern at DL but like I said I have no concern about the DL group
I stand behind what I said about WR's as a group
I agree about the DB machine of 2011 - best I ever saw at Lsu
In saying that I think this DB group can be very good and should be one of the top groups in the SEC for 2016
The #1 fall off from the 2011 team would be the DB's
The #2 fall off would be the concern at DL but like I said I have no concern about the DL group
I stand behind what I said about WR's as a group
Posted on 6/30/16 at 8:30 am to munchman
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2011 defense probably best in college football history. Took a very good and talented Alabama to beat us on the second try.
This team is one-year-older and very talented. Expectations are high. We shall see. QB play is crucial if not paramount.
well - as a Tiger I will say that the 69 Tigers and the 2011 Tigers are right there
the problem - the 2011 Bama D - as a group this was a stud D and we had to play them twice
Posted on 6/30/16 at 8:32 am to Guava Jelly
Go rewatch the Bama game. They didn't stack the box
Posted on 6/30/16 at 8:58 am to UnAnon
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They didn't stack the box
A quick look at the first quarter shows two plays in which the Bama defense had fewer than 8 guys in the box. I seem to recall them backing off with 6-7 in the box once they went up two scores in the second half.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:18 am to TigerCliff777
quote:
we only have to beat Bama once
"we"
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:32 am to TigerCliff777
How can you say RB play will be better but QB will be the same? We had the best back in the nation last year and I agree that he, Guice and the others will be better next season with another year of experience. But to say Brandon Harris will not be improved after his first year as a starter is foolish. I'm not expecting him to be an All-American but I'm betting he will be vastly improved. It was only his first year as a starter.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:37 am to TigerCliff777
we won't be as good on the D-line, secondary, or the defense overall. or special teams.
but yes, the offense should be better, on paper. the only thing is, though, that the 2011 team scored a lot of points. partly because of the defense, partly because of the deep ball threat to randle, partly because of grinding teams down in the 2nd half with the running game.
the 2016 offense will likely be better than the 2011 offense. but can we match the 2011 team on the scoreboard? probably not.
but yes, the offense should be better, on paper. the only thing is, though, that the 2011 team scored a lot of points. partly because of the defense, partly because of the deep ball threat to randle, partly because of grinding teams down in the 2nd half with the running game.
the 2016 offense will likely be better than the 2011 offense. but can we match the 2011 team on the scoreboard? probably not.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:38 am to TigerCliff777
quote:
TigerCliff777
quote:
we only have to beat Bama once
I like most of what you said, but the above quote is simply not true.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:48 am to The Mick
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WR/TE - as good to better - I love this WR group crazy big but I want to see very few drops this year NO WAY, 2011 BECKHAM RANDLE ETC.
Odell was a true freshman. Aside from him, our leading receivers were Reuben Randle, Deangelo Peterson, and a very raw Russell Shepard who was still adjusting to his position change.
Yeah, James Wright, Kadron Boone, and Jarvis Landry were their backups, but that trio only had a combined 16 receptions all season.
So, 2011's potential was arguably better with three future NFL starters, five consistent contributors, and six guys total who have made an NFL roster in some capacity.
Maybe I'm just an optimist, but a unit comprising Dural, Dupre, Johnson, Davis, and Anderson seems like it has just as much potential and more. That's not even counting wildcards like Chark, Sullivan, Ferguson, and Dillon.
Perhaps, they won't exceed the 2011 group's eventual collective achievements in the pros, but the guys on roster for 2016 are easily capable of matching the collegiate production of the former unit.
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