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re: 2013 or 2016 offense
Posted on 7/27/16 at 11:57 am to SportTiger1
Posted on 7/27/16 at 11:57 am to SportTiger1
Amen brotha
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 11:58 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:
Russell > Mett
By a lot
quote:
OBJ > Bowe (close though)
Jarvis > Buster
I'd take Note over OBJ in college. Bowe was just a monster, especially blocking and after the catch
Also had Doucet on that team
quote:
Hill > Scott/Hester/Keiland (for that year at least)
This is the big disparity. It cost us the Auburn game when we tried to run fat Vincent and Broussard repeatedly.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:01 pm to Tigers_Saints
THANK YOU
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:07 pm to Corporal Beavis
quote:Not just to argue, but these are mutually exclusive?
I asked about talented, not productive.
If more or less productive, I'm not allowed to consider the offense more or less talented?
Maybe you're star gazing and the answer is written on recruiting sites.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:08 pm to Tigers_Saints
quote:
Russell > Mett
By a lot
Not nearly as much as you think.
Jamarcus: 232/342, 67.8 % compl, 3129 yards, 9.1 per/attempt, 28 TDs, 8 INTs, 167.0 QBR
Mettenberger: 192/296, 64.9 % compl, 3082 yards, 10.4 per/attempt, 22 TDs, 8 INTs, 171.4 QBR
And Mettenberger was #1 in the nation in 3rd conversion %, with the best % in LSU history.
ETA:
Jamarcus possibly had/has the best arm in the history of the sport of football, but Mettenberger has elite arm strength as well. Both were outstanding their last year at LSU.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:19 pm to Mayhawman
For me, talent doesn't change much over time. It's primarily the physical ability mixed a little with mental capacity. For example consider OBJ 2012 to 2013 to his first year in the pros. His talent never changed he just became more skilled and able to utilize his talents, which is why he was so much better in 2013 than 2012 and then broke out in the NFL.
Production is what occurs when talent and skill meet eachother
Production is what occurs when talent and skill meet eachother
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:20 pm to TheCaterpillar
Just for fun, lets look at these 4 players in their first year starting in the SEC:
Brandon Harris:
149/277 - 53.8% - 2165 yards - 7.8 y/a - 13 TDs - 6 INTs - 130.6 QBR
Dak Prescott:
156/267 - 58.4% - 1940 yards - 7.3 y/a - 10 TDs - 7 INTs - 126.6 QBR
Zach Mettenberger:
207/352 - 58.8% - 2609 yards - 7.4 y/a – 12 TDs – 7 INTs - 128.3 QBR
Jamarcus Russell:
188/311 - 60.5% - 2443 yards - 7.9 y/a – 15 TDs – 9 INTs - 136.6 QBR
Hopefully this will relax some folks about our QB play this year. History, repeatedly, has shown the biggest strides in QB play come from year 1 to year 2. Lots of former SEC QBs we consider very good had very pedestrian years their first year starting.
Brandon Harris:
149/277 - 53.8% - 2165 yards - 7.8 y/a - 13 TDs - 6 INTs - 130.6 QBR
Dak Prescott:
156/267 - 58.4% - 1940 yards - 7.3 y/a - 10 TDs - 7 INTs - 126.6 QBR
Zach Mettenberger:
207/352 - 58.8% - 2609 yards - 7.4 y/a – 12 TDs – 7 INTs - 128.3 QBR
Jamarcus Russell:
188/311 - 60.5% - 2443 yards - 7.9 y/a – 15 TDs – 9 INTs - 136.6 QBR
Hopefully this will relax some folks about our QB play this year. History, repeatedly, has shown the biggest strides in QB play come from year 1 to year 2. Lots of former SEC QBs we consider very good had very pedestrian years their first year starting.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 12:29 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
Hopefully this will relax some folks about our QB play this year. History, repeatedly, has shown the biggest strides in QB play come from year 1 to year 2. Lots of former SEC QBs we consider very good had very pedestrian years their first year starting.
Cut it out, you're making way too much sense for the internet
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:03 pm to TheCaterpillar
Mett was great, but Russell had nearly zero running game. He was carrying the offense.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:20 pm to KennabraTiger
quote:
Mett was great, but Russell had nearly zero running game. He was carrying the offense.
2006 (27th in the country):
450 att - 2155 yards - 4.8 ypc - 25 TDs - 165.8 ypg
2013 (30th in the country):
523 att - 2630 yards - 5.0 ypc - 37 TDs - 202.3 ypg
For reference, here is 2015 (15th in country):
505 att - 3082 yards - 6.1 ypc - 36 TDs - 256.8 ypg
So Mett definitely had more help, especially in TD production, but the YPC is very, very close. We just threw it A LOT more, mainly due to Jimbo Fisher. When we did run, the effectiveness is very comparable.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:27 pm to Corporal Beavis
I guess on paper it would be 2016. But it's gonna be hard to pass up what the 2013 offense did on the field. Mett having over 3,000 yards threw the air, Hill having over 1,000 yards on the ground and Landry/OBJ both having 1,000 yards receiving is f*cking RIDICULOUS. Could u imagine if we had the 2011 defense with that offense? Best college team of all time maybe? Up there with the Miami teams?
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:27 pm to Corporal Beavis
I can't help but wonder how special the 2013 team could've been with a decent defense.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:30 pm to tigerfan84
quote:
I can't help but wonder how special the 2013 team could've been with a decent defense.
AHHHHHHHH READ PAGE 1
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:33 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
2006 (27th in the country):
450 att - 2155 yards - 4.8 ypc - 25 TDs - 165.8 ypg
2013 (30th in the country):
523 att - 2630 yards - 5.0 ypc - 37 TDs - 202.3 ypg
This is wrong
5.29 in 2013
4.86 in 2006
The ESPN numbers are not complete
And if you take out JR and Mett's rushing stats:
2006: 5.14 ypc
2013: 5.96 ypc
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:39 pm to Tigers_Saints
quote:
The ESPN numbers are not complete
Where'd you get yours?
Not doubting it, I just couldn't find 2006 anywhere.
Usually use cfbstats.com but they don't go back that far.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:39 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
I can't help but wonder how special the 2013 team could've been with a decent defense.
AHHHHHHHH READ PAGE 1
Efficiency rankings has that defense somewhere in the 30s I believe. They started very poorly and got better as the season went along.
Also, as to Ole Miss, the offense did shite the bed in the 1st half, but also tied the game up late. The defense deserves blame for that game too
Ole Miss put up over 500 yards of offense that game.
Both losses that year where team losses. Certainly not up to LSU standards as a defense imo.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:40 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
Where'd you get yours?
Sports-reference. It even lets you export to excel
LINK
If I remember correctly, the 2006 running game really picked up the 2nd half of the season when we switch the Williams and benched Vincent and Broussard. Ciron Black started as a freshman too, and struggled in run blocking early on.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:41 pm to Tigers_Saints
quote:
Sports-reference. It even lets you export to excel
Nice...yeah I've used them for individual stats in this thread, but didn't even think to look at team.
Well, the better numbers help your case. My original point I think stands in that, I don't think Mett was as far behind JR as he insinuated.
They were both very good and very efficient for us.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:48 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
I don't think Mett was as far behind JR as he insinuated.
I don't agree, and I'm not trying to bash Mett here. The higher YPC and 3rd down %'s can be attributed to the dominant running game, whereas JR had a period where he was relied upon to carry the offense. Also, defenses rules have changed, especially in the secondary.
JR finished:
#1 in the BCS in Passer Rating
#3 in the BCS in Completion %
#1 in the BCS in Yards per attempt
Mett finished:
#4 in the BCS in Passer Rating
Outside the top 10 in completion % (#10 was at 68.5% for reference to the growing #'s)
#3 in the BCS in Yards per attempt
Both are great seasons, but comparatively to the rest of college football, JR was the best in the country.
quote:
They were both very good and very efficient for us.
No doubt
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 1:52 pm to Corporal Beavis
quote:Yet if he had never broke out with the production of 2013, most would be 2nd guessing his talent, much like the narrative in 2012.
His talent never changed he just became more skilled and able to utilize his talents, which is why he was so much better in 2013 than 2012 and then broke out in the NFL
I guess it's chicken/egg, but I don't tout talent without production to back it up. Of course QB/OL talent would factor in WR/RB production, but OP states a collective "offensive" talent.
ETA:
quote:
he just became more skilled and able to utilize his talents,
You know better than to insinuate LSU staff develops players
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 1:58 pm
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