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what's more reliable: stars or "offer lists"
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:33 pm
I think most readers here know that the star rating systems are helpful but not perfect by any means.
With LSU getting commitments from so many three stars, some are getting comfort from the offer lists attributed to those recruits.
How reliable is this data?
Do we know each of these claimed offers is real? Committable?
Does anybody here know?
Hard to imagine this data is verified in each case...
With LSU getting commitments from so many three stars, some are getting comfort from the offer lists attributed to those recruits.
How reliable is this data?
Do we know each of these claimed offers is real? Committable?
Does anybody here know?
Hard to imagine this data is verified in each case...
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:42 pm to nitwit
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what's more reliable: stars or "offer lists"
quote:
"offer lists"
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:50 pm to nitwit
Offer lists at this point.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:02 pm to nitwit
I wouldn't say either. You use both to evaluate a kid's potential. They're tools. Both should be given weight when forming an evaluation.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:03 pm to LSU Patrick
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Offer lists at this point.
According to 247 LSU has offered 231 players in the 2018 class. Do you think that number is accurate, and do you think all 231 could call up and commit right this moment?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:08 pm to nitwit
Depends on which one favors your team 
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:10 pm to MOT
Thanks, MOT.
That's my point. The offer list data appears to be unreliable.
That's my point. The offer list data appears to be unreliable.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:17 pm to MOT
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According to 247 LSU has offered 231 players in the 2018 class. Do you think that number is accurate, and do you think all 231 could call up and commit right this moment?
Which other schools have offered those guys?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:29 pm to nitwit
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The offer list data appears to be unreliable.
Take 10 prospects that are currently rated as 3 stars and compare their offer lists.
A couple of them will have lists like:
LSU, Clemson, FSU, Ohio State, Texas
The other 8 will look like:
LSU, Tulane, Southern Miss, Louisiana Tech
Now, do you think they are all "equal" 3-stars?
That's what I thought.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:56 pm to LSU Patrick
Patrick,
Before you do much more thinking, re-read the OP.
And before proposing a comparison of the commit list, consider whether the commit lists themselves are reliable.
If you think so, tell us why.
Before you do much more thinking, re-read the OP.
And before proposing a comparison of the commit list, consider whether the commit lists themselves are reliable.
If you think so, tell us why.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:56 pm to LSU Patrick
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Which other schools have offered those guys?
You missed the point. How do you or I know which schools have offered anyone? If the recruiting sites are your answer then please answer the questions in the original reply.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:19 pm to nitwit
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consider whether the commit lists themselves are reliable
Which is more reliable, they guys that sign in February or the guys committed in June? A lot changes from June to Feb. I have a hard time believing the ratings as well as the guys themselves will all be the same come February. There will be some added, some lost. the only "reliable" data is the guys signed.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:32 pm to dos crystal
Stars come from recruiting sites and as best I can tell often involve input from people who work for the sites who are typically journalists of some sort who follow sports.
Offers come from teams after evaluations by their scouts and coaches who do football for a living.
I think the bigger an offer list gets, the more likely one of the analysts from the recruiting sites will pick up on this and figure they have the kid under rated.
So I am going with offer list as being more important, I have seen interviews with many of the "analysts" from the Rivals site, and I never get the feeling they do not know anything more about talent evaluation than I do.
Offers come from teams after evaluations by their scouts and coaches who do football for a living.
I think the bigger an offer list gets, the more likely one of the analysts from the recruiting sites will pick up on this and figure they have the kid under rated.
So I am going with offer list as being more important, I have seen interviews with many of the "analysts" from the Rivals site, and I never get the feeling they do not know anything more about talent evaluation than I do.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:45 pm to paper tiger
Another factor that has to be considered is that the star system is only evaluated by the source that you are looking at, such as rivals or 247 sports. The thing with the offer list is that it is evaluated by multiple sport programs and coaches. Since a 3 star player is getting scholarships from more than one power school who sees potential in the player, then I'd trust the offer list.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:48 pm to Tiger nation 929
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The thing with the offer list is that it is evaluated by multiple sport programs and coaches. Since a 3 star player is getting scholarships from more than one power school who sees potential in the player, then I'd trust the offer list.
So you believe LSU currently has 231 offers out and that every one of those players could commit today if they wanted?
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:54 pm to MOT
Theoretically, only the people who commit first can become part of the class. It also makes sense that they offer so many athletes because not all of those people are going to be interested in LSU. They offer just in case the player is interested. A lot of colleges are like that. Since they offer so many people, they are able to choose which ones are right to go after.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:58 pm to MOT
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So you believe LSU currently has 231 offers out and that every one of those players could commit today if they wanted?
So you are saying the ones they have accepted are the top tier of the 231 or they would not have accepted them?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:12 pm to dos crystal
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So you are saying the ones they have accepted are the top tier of the 231 or they would not have accepted them?
I asked the people who say offer lists are more reliable if they believe LSU has 231 outstanding offers.
The point is offer lists aren't reliable either unless you've personally been in a recruiting meeting and know how the board stacks up.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:23 pm to MOT
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So you believe LSU currently has 231 offers out and that every one of those players could commit today if they wanted?
That's not how it works... when a team offers a recruit at a certain position there is a number of players at that position that they will accept. Meaning that if the number of RBs are 3 and you wait around until today, then you are SOL.
Obviously, exceptions are made for exceptional recruits, but that's how it worlds.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:34 am to MOT
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The point is offer lists aren't reliable either unless you've personally been in a recruiting meeting and know how the board stacks up.
I get that, however, the question was stars or offer list, what's more reliable?
I don't think either are all that reliable in June.
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