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re: Quarterback recruiting.........
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:06 am to mwade91383
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:06 am to mwade91383
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Lee
His 2011 stat line against Bama, which is really what your whole post boils down to:
3 comp 7 att 24 yard 0 TD 2 INT 2.5 QB rating
As for making the throws, BH has a great deep ball and generally accuracy improves over the course of a career. JR in particular improved his accuracy every year that he was here. Flynn really only played one year but if put in the same position as BH, you have to think their stats would be pretty similar. BH had a 53.7 completion percentage this year and Flynn's senior year was only at 56%.
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Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:12 am to mwade91383
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What that poster said is he's expecting that same kind of sizeable jump for BH this coming season and I'm saying I'll believe it when I see it.
Just a small improvement would make him just as effective as one of the QB's you argue were perfect for our system.
149 277 2165 53.8 7.82 13 6
Is pretty close to:
202 359 2407 56.3 6.7 21 11
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:14 am to glaucon
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His 2011 stat line against Bama, which is really what your whole post boils down to:
3 comp 7 att 24 yard 0 TD 2 INT 2.5 QB rating
Fair. Posting stats from beating up on crappy opponents doesn't help anyone's argument for either type of QB. Lee was just not that good at the end of the day. Stud and CLM didn't do him any favors but mostly it falls on him.
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As for making the throws, BH has a great deep ball and generally accuracy improves over the course of a career. JR in particular improved his accuracy every year that he was here. Flynn really only played one year but if put in the same position as BH, you have to think their stats would be pretty similar. BH had a 53.7 completion percentage this year and Flynn's senior year was only at 56%.
So did Jennings, but where's the rest of their game? The deep ball is great and its a must have. You can't expect to beat the big boys wo getting big chunks and dinking/dunking all the way down the field for 60 minutes.
And I'm not sold the outcome would be the same is MF was here this season. He can make more of the throws and the play calling would've been different. If they called the same plays, then yes, similar results.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:17 am to mwade91383
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And I'm not sold the outcome would be the same is MF was here this season.
The argument is that if MF was forced to play as a true sophomore his stats would look at best like Harris (and probably far worse than harris as his appearance in the 2004 Citris Bowl is best completely forgotten...seriously, 2nd year BH is leaps and bounds better than 2nd year MF).
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:18 am to glaucon
Flynn had one of the worst pick-6s I've ever seen in the '05 SEC CG after JaMarcus was hurt.
People apply all sorts of revisionist history to his career though, so I get it.
People apply all sorts of revisionist history to his career though, so I get it.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:24 am to LMfan
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Flynn had one of the worst pick-6s I've ever seen in the '05 SEC CG after JaMarcus was hurt.
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Flynn had one of the worst pick-6s I've ever seen in the '05 SEC CG after JaMarcus was hurt.
I had completely blocked the second half of that game from my memory.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:32 am to glaucon
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149 277 2165 53.8 7.82 13 6
Is pretty close to:
202 359 2407 56.3 6.7 21 11
Is it? 50 more completions and 8 more TDs is pretty sizeable. The picks aren't great though :/ It us a far cry from ZMs 2013 numbers.
192 296 64.9 3082 10.4 10.7 22 8 171.4
We still have amazing skill guys on offense, all we need is someone who can get them the ball consistently, we don't need them to make it happen themselves.
Also JR, Flynn, Mett all had NFL (short) careers. JJ, Jennings, BH (remains to be seen) not so much.
This post was edited on 2/1/16 at 11:38 am
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:45 am to mwade91383
Okay saying I EXPECT the night and day improvement of Mett 12 to 13 is aggressive. I expect a solid step up in improvement. It's not like Harris was terrible. He had a decent year. Now if we can just get him to very good we will be okay. I think a year of maturity, a year of experience and a year of working with Cam will bear fruit.
Now, back to the Mett comparison. While we shouldn't expect it, it also should not be a shock if it materializes. Both Mett and Harris have live arms and can make every throw. Both Mett and Harris throw a great deep ball. Both Mett 12 and Harris 15 struggled a bit with pocket presence and touch. Harris also is more mobile than Mett. So I won't be shocked if Harris comes out and completes 63%, for 250 a game and 2 TDs a game, while keeping the INTs down.
Now, back to the Mett comparison. While we shouldn't expect it, it also should not be a shock if it materializes. Both Mett and Harris have live arms and can make every throw. Both Mett and Harris throw a great deep ball. Both Mett 12 and Harris 15 struggled a bit with pocket presence and touch. Harris also is more mobile than Mett. So I won't be shocked if Harris comes out and completes 63%, for 250 a game and 2 TDs a game, while keeping the INTs down.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:47 am to mwade91383
simply put; the bama fan was incorrect.
LSU needs a QB that is accurate throwing the ball and has field vision and has good enough legs to keep a play alive. mett was a pure pocket passer because he was the slowest qb ever.
I personally think BH is the perfect type of QB for LSU if he can improve his accuracy, esp on the short and intermediate routes. he needs to run more but I understand his injury sure slowed that down.
LSU needs a QB that is accurate throwing the ball and has field vision and has good enough legs to keep a play alive. mett was a pure pocket passer because he was the slowest qb ever.
I personally think BH is the perfect type of QB for LSU if he can improve his accuracy, esp on the short and intermediate routes. he needs to run more but I understand his injury sure slowed that down.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:50 am to LSU GrandDad
Completely agree with Grand Dad
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:53 am to LSU GrandDad
BH needs to add about 15lbs of muscle and increase his short range accuracy and this team would be unbeatable.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:03 pm to mwade91383
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Is it? 50 more completions and 8 more TDs is pretty sizeable.
Both are factors of MF just passing the ball 82 more times. If you expand BH stats up to 359 attempts he blows away MF yardage number by around 400 yards and is a whole 4 td's behind MF's and that is just assuming no improvement to Harris's game.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:06 pm to Jonathan Ikon
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Okay saying I EXPECT the night and day improvement of Mett 12 to 13 is aggressive. I expect a solid step up in improvement. It's not like Harris was terrible. He had a decent year. Now if we can just get him to very good we will be okay. I think a year of maturity, a year of experience and a year of working with Cam will bear fruit.
Now, back to the Mett comparison. While we shouldn't expect it, it also should not be a shock if it materializes. Both Mett and Harris have live arms and can make every throw. Both Mett and Harris throw a great deep ball. Both Mett 12 and Harris 15 struggled a bit with pocket presence and touch. Harris also is more mobile than Mett. So I won't be shocked if Harris comes out and completes 63%, for 250 a game and 2 TDs a game, while keeping the INTs down.
Agree 100%.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:06 pm to mwade91383
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Also JR, Flynn, Mett all had NFL (short) careers. JJ, Jennings, BH (remains to be seen) not so much.
Who are you arguing with here?
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:13 pm to easy money
LSU hasn't found or developed a superstar QB. Plain and simple. Regardless of what type they are. Lsu has to let them use their brains (if they have one). To this point the system restricts the QB from using his brain. Unless the QB can convince the staff he can make great decisions, they're not turning him loose. Scott has Harvard smarts, maybe he'll be that guy. We'll see.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:21 pm to mwade91383
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Yesterday a bama fan came on here and started a thread about the QB position, essentially saying LSU would do better if we recruited a more pure pocket passer. The thread got whacked about 20 comments in and I'm not sure why. It seemed like everyone was playing nice for the most part as far as I could tell? Can anyone shed some light on why that happened?
Admins have an agreement to watch out for an ban anything a recruit or family of a recruit might see. They did not want Lindsey to choose Maryland because of this consideration. It is valid, as we all see that Bama has the natty model, and they use (recruit and/or develop) pro style pocket QB's
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:22 pm to LSU GrandDad
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mett was a pure pocket passer because he was the slowest qb ever.
Also arguably the best offense/qb play we've had since Jamarcus.
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LSU needs a QB that is accurate throwing the ball and has field vision and has good enough legs to keep a play alive
You make it sound so reasonable, and yet for LSU, it's not......
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I personally think BH is the perfect type of QB for LSU if he can improve his accuracy, esp on the short and intermediate routes. he needs to run more but I understand his injury sure slowed that down.
So you're saying you want him to everything, which is my whole damn point! it's not as realistic as it sounds, especially for us. Needs to run more, great vision, accurate on all the throws....you're talking about Watson/Winston. I mean I agree, if LSU had a heisman caliber qb we'd excel. What else? Water still wet?
Look at the history of who we've had and what we've been able to do with them at LSU. I realize a lot of that is due to experience/being forced to play early but a lot of it isn't. I stand by my original argument, LSU would do better with a qb emphasizing accuracy (and getting the ball to our always amazing skill guys) instead of emphasizing the ability to make plays with their legs. The "we want a guy to do both well" isn't always possible.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:23 pm to TigerBert
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Admins have an agreement to watch out for an ban anything a recruit or family of a recruit might see. They did not want Lindsey to choose Maryland because of this consideration. It is valid, as we all see that Bama has the natty model, and they use (recruit and/or develop) pro style pocket QB's
Did not know that, I'm sure that was it. Thanks for passing this on.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:34 pm to glaucon
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BH had a 53.7 completion percentage this year and Flynn's senior year was only at 56%.
But, but, but, he won a national championship.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:35 pm to glaucon
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Just a small improvement would make him just as effective as one of the QB's you argue were perfect for our system.
149 277 2165 53.8 7.82 13 6
Is pretty close to:
202 359 2407 56.3 6.7 21 11
Ka-freeking-BOOM!
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