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Player Dismissals (Effects on Schollys)
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:57 pm
When players get dismissed, are we able to use that scholarship towards recruiting? Possibly sign 26 instead of 25?
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:59 pm to Blanky6715
It's just 1 less of the total 85, can still only bring in 25 total new scholarship players every academic year
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:00 pm to thunderbird1100
I gotcha, so would they be able to give his scholarship to a walk on or maybe grey shirt someone temporarily?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:01 pm to thunderbird1100
Sorry if this information is common knowledge I just really am clueless about this sort of stuff.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:04 pm to Blanky6715
It's far from common knowledge, hell the recruiting board mainstays are confused as hell. There are exceptions to the 25 per class with back counting and who knows what else. Tennessee was signing more than 30 guys and I still don't know how.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:05 pm to thunderbird1100
How come Tennessee had like 34 recruits in the 2014 class? is that because they had 9 under 25 the yr before?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:05 pm to Blanky6715
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I gotcha, so would they be able to give his scholarship to a walk on or maybe grey shirt someone temporarily?
They still have to be at 85 scholarship players by a certain day in July or August. Now yeah, if Trey was #85, they would give it to a senior walk-on just so that spot opens up again next year
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:07 pm to thunderbird1100
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It's just 1 less of the total 85, can still only bring in 25 total new scholarship players every academic year
Cool, I had been wondering this as well.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:41 pm to thunderbird1100
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can still only bring in 25 total new scholarship players every academic year
Not really true. If one year you sign 20, the next year you can sign 30. You just always have to be at the total of 85.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:45 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Not really true. If one year you sign 20, the next year you can sign 30. You just always have to be at the total of 85.
You're confusing signing guys in a recruiting class and bringing in guys during the year. They are not the same. The NCAA law is you cannot bring in more than 25 new scholarship players per year. You can get around this with early enrollees, greyshirts and the such; all from the same recruiting class, but counting towards different years.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:27 pm to thunderbird1100
So if we have more than 25 guys sign for this year of recruiting, but we have some EE's, we would be in the clear?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:46 pm to Team Vote
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but we have some EE's, we would be in the clear?
I thought we lost EE for a while?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 5:11 pm to TheWalrus
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There are exceptions to the 25 per class with back counting and who knows what else.
As I remember it from a lively discussion a few yrs ago...
There are NCAA rules and there are SEC rules which are tighter, hence, the 25 per year limit.
If I get this correct, you can backcount back one year. So if you were 3 short this year you can make it up in next class. This is also SEC rule.
I will defer on the EE rule but I do remember that you have to have room on your roster for them in the current year. Graduating seniors are still on roster I believe for Spring Semester so you have to have transfers, dismissals, academic casualties, etc. I could easily be wrong on this one.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 5:35 pm to Mr.Perfect
They can still enroll early, we just can't sign the financial papers guaranteeing them a scholarship before they enroll. In reality it has almost no effect on our recruiting, the penalty is a paper tiger.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 6:29 pm to SHBlake79
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How come Tennessee had like 34 recruits in the 2014 class?
Over-signing?
"Football teams are only permitted to enroll 25 scholarship athletes per calendar year and can only have 85 scholarship players on their team at any given time. This doesn't stop teams from signing more than their allotment of players.
Teams over-sign for a variety of reasons. Some players will not qualify academically and will never step foot onto campus. Some coaches were not able to sign 25 prospects the year before and are trying to make up for it. Other schools are trying to add depth to their teams in years where there is a large number of quality recruits.
Regardless of reason, here is how oversigning works:
A team must sign less than its allotment of 25 scholarship players the year before.
Extra players must enroll in December, prior to National Signing Day, and be on campus for the Spring semester.
or
Any team that exceeds the maximum 25 scholarships, must have additional players grey shirt.
Over-signing allows teams to build depth. It also allows schools to prepare for potential academic casualties. It is a practice that has been around, particularly in Southern schools, for years. It will not be going away any time soon.
These additional players do indirectly affect a team's recruiting class ranking. While not all players are counted toward the ranking, the weaker prospects are hidden by the stronger ones. This can give an inaccurate representation of the overall quality of a class.
Even teams that are not oversigned encourage players to enroll early if their are scholarships available.
Not only does it give those players the opportunity to get a head start on the system, conditioning, college experience, but any player that enrolls in December will not count towards a teams 25 annual scholarships. Technically, scholarships for early entries belong to the previous year's class.
This allows teams to get a maximum on how many players they can over-sign the next year."
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 8:00 am to thunderbird1100
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just 1 less of the total 85, can still only bring in 25 total new scholarship players every academic year
I don't think so. It always seems like the 25 doesn't mean anything. Teams find ways around it. The only number that matters is the 85.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 8:32 am to dgnx6
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I don't think so. It always seems like the 25 doesn't mean anything. Teams find ways around it. The only number that matters is the 85.
The key word there was academic year. You can count guys in the same signing class in different "years" considering WHEN they enroll. There is most definitely a limit to the number of guys you can bring in though per a year (25).
Posted on 6/30/15 at 8:54 am to thunderbird1100
We brought in 4 EEs this year, WR Martin has gone JUCO, so how many, if any, does that add on for the 2016 class?
Getting Etling seems like it would only count towards the scholarship limit which would at least give us 26 spots with Martin to JUCO.
Getting Etling seems like it would only count towards the scholarship limit which would at least give us 26 spots with Martin to JUCO.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 8:56 am
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