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Arthur McGinnis
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:28 pm
Why did LSU not offer him---a 4 star inside linebacker from New Orleans. Maybe this has been discussed, but I didn't see it.
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Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:31 pm to TheFinalWord
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4 star
consensus 3*.
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Think about it, LSU is starving for linebackers and it seems they haven't even kicked the tires on this guy. They know something we don't.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:38 pm to buckRogers
My thoughts are these are possible explanations:
1) LSU doesn't want him for an unknown reason
2) LSU thinks they are getting a bigger fish
3) LSU had told bigger fish they wouldn't go after another at his position
4) LSU is waiting on bigger fish to announce before offering AM if they miss out
1) LSU doesn't want him for an unknown reason
2) LSU thinks they are getting a bigger fish
3) LSU had told bigger fish they wouldn't go after another at his position
4) LSU is waiting on bigger fish to announce before offering AM if they miss out
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:38 pm to buckRogers
To be fair, and I'm not saying McGinnis should have been offered or not since I'm not that familiar with him, but who evaluated him. That would be Chavis who has screwed up time and time and time again signing LBers. Plus, if he weighs more than like 210, Chavis didn't want him...not a "hybrid LBer". Really, only Beckwith and Garrett break that mold over the last several years.
It would have been very interesting to see if Steele had been around for months instead of weeks to know if he would have recruited McGinnis.
It would have been very interesting to see if Steele had been around for months instead of weeks to know if he would have recruited McGinnis.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:40 pm to buckRogers
I'll never understand it. I've never heard of any grades concerns with him and like you say, we're starved for linebackers and this kid's good.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:51 pm to marinebioman
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4) LSU is waiting on bigger fish to announce before offering AM if they miss ou
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:51 pm to EyeoftheTiger 2015
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Beckwith
And Chief wanted him at DE.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:57 pm to Ironhead985
Maybe I saw old film of him but the film I saw he wasn't that good??? I'm hardly an expert and it may have been old film or diff film than everyone else is referring to but what I saw against high school kids no less wasn't very impressive. Lots of tackles but when I saw him making the tackle he wasn't the only one getting there and making the tackle (Solos) he's good enough to take being how we have no one, but like someone said maybe they have another one in mind?? Beckwith is good and fast enough to play outside with Garret playing the middle but I don't think Garret is fast enough, maybe they switch or play behind one another next year? GT
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Posted on 1/26/15 at 5:11 pm to rmnldr
Valid point! 
Of course one of the main criticisms of Chavis as LBer coach/DC, why in the hell did it take you 1 1/3 seasons to get Beckwith on the field. 
I really think Beckwith's treatment of an OBVIOUS talent hurt LSU recruiting the last couple of years at LBer. Fortunately, Clifton Garrett signed with us but 1 stud at LBer in 2 years...NOT good!
Posted on 1/26/15 at 5:13 pm to BayouBengal99
If we miss on bigger targets, I think he'll get a late offer. He's probably been told as much.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 5:16 pm to BayouBengal99
Garrett looks darn quick and explosive to me. Garrett is plenty fast enough IMO. Don't look at the tackles but how quickly he got there.
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Posted on 1/26/15 at 5:24 pm to EyeoftheTiger 2015
Oh I thinks he's plenty fast enough to play the middle but not outside where Beckwith is. You probably right though I'm just used to our outside guys running 4.5 40s He's very quick around 10 to 20 yards but from what I saw after that he slows down a bit. As for coming down hill and filling the hole he's probably our best linebacker. I just can't see us not putting both these guys on the field at the same time, and I would think KB is the better fit outside.
He's very quick around 10 to 20 yards but from what I saw after that he slows down a bit. As for coming down hill and filling the hole he's probably our best linebacker. I just can't see us not putting both these guys on the field at the same time, and I would think KB is the better fit outside.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 5:40 pm to EyeoftheTiger 2015
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That would be Chavis who has screwed up time and time and time again signing LBers.
Huh? That's not really true... Especially considering that Chief didn't do that much recruiting. And they put Beckwith at DE in hopes to get him on the field sooner his freshman year. It was known he was gonna switch back to LB.
Chief was here from 2009-2014. LBers we had during that timespan: Kelvin Sheppard, Perry Riley, Kevin Minter, Lamin Barrow, Kwon Alexander, Beckwith. And Chief was a big reason why we got Garrett.
If you wanna bitch about the Welter / Beckwith saga 2 seasons ago and early on this past season, that's fine and valid. Was Beckwith ready to start at MLB as a true freshman and call the D? Maybe. Maybe not. But when it was obvious that Beckwith was better this past season and made our D better, Chief didn't hesitate to make the switch. And nobody knows what Beckwith would have looked like as a true freshman... But it's hard to imagine he would had been worse than Welter.
Majority of the LBers we had when Chavis was here excelled under him. And, like I said, he didn't do too much recruiting so you can't say that Chavis screwed up time and time again signing LBers. If you think we have made bad LBer signings the last few years, it's most likely someone else that recruited them.
In regards to McGinnis... Who knows why we haven't offered him. Hopefully it means the staff expects us to land some big LBer prospects. Maybe they know something we don't know about McGinnis. Who knows? And our staff has interacted with these guys way more than we have. If we don't offer him it's because they don't want him. Simple as that. And I'm OK with that.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 1/26/15 at 5:50 pm to KG5989
First, he didn't sign Sheppard I don't think...wasn't responsible for Minter either. Barrow really never lived up to his billing. Once again, review the signing lists for LBers over the last several years. Out of 13 LBers signed, he had 3 successes IMO...impact type guys...K Alexander, Beckwith, and I agree with you I think Garrett will pan out for sure.
And of course I at your assertion that a majority of Chavis' LBers have "excelled". Really? May I give you a list?
Muncie, Welter, T Randle, Feist, Granier, D Jones, L Phillips, M Jones to FB position, D Riley, 0 commits for 2015. And yeah, as LBer coach and DC, I can promise you that all these guys signed with Chavis blessing. So yeah, as a LBer coach, he stank!
And of course I
at your assertion that a majority of Chavis' LBers have "excelled". Really? May I give you a list? Muncie, Welter, T Randle, Feist, Granier, D Jones, L Phillips, M Jones to FB position, D Riley, 0 commits for 2015. And yeah, as LBer coach and DC, I can promise you that all these guys signed with Chavis blessing. So yeah, as a LBer coach, he stank!
Posted on 1/26/15 at 6:19 pm to KG5989
quote:Having only one person out of a defensive squad that can call the D is asinine. So if Welter cracks a leg in game 2 of last year , we're just fricked until midway this season. Excuses, excuses, should be used to that by now I guess
Was Beckwith ready to start at MLB as a true freshman and call the D?
Posted on 1/26/15 at 6:29 pm to DTRooster
Agree 100%. Clearly, that was spaghetti thrown up against the wall and hoping that it would stick with some people. Funny, when Beckwith STARTED, I saw fewer defensive miscues than when Welter was in there. In fact, if you remember the Miss State and Auburn games, guess who gave up those long runs up the middle by the QBs/RBs? Welter hit the line where the ball wasn't. That is flat out poor defensive technique. He wasn't even blocked on the play, no misdirection to speak of...he flat out took himself out of the play!
Posted on 1/26/15 at 6:29 pm to DTRooster
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Posted on 1/26/15 at 6:31 pm to EyeoftheTiger 2015
Dude... Did you miss the part where I said Chavis didn't recruit that much? Just because he coached LBers doesn't mean he recruited them.
Here are the players Chavis recruited to LSU: Tahj Jones, Lamar Louis, Lorenzo Phillips, Kendall Beckwith, Josh Boutte, Greg Gilmore, Frank Herron, Lewis Neal, and Clifton Garrett.
Kelvin Sheppard did very little before Chief got here. And Minters first year was 2009, same as Chief. He fully developed as a LBer under Chief. And Lamin Barrow didn't live up to the billing? Really? He was a 3* LBer out of high school and had a very good career at LSU.
And your list of players pretty much consists of 3* players and guys who transferred. And Debo has flashed and made plays when he's been in, and will be a starter next year. The verdict is still out on debo and duke. And do you realize you can do that at every position? Go through each class the last x amount of years and list guys that didn't pan out. Not too hard. For example, we are known as "DBU"... Yet here are guys we have signed recently that haven't done much... Derrick Raymond, Jerqwinick Sandolph, Kavarha Holmes, David Jenkins, Josh Johns, Derrick Bryant, Rocky Duplesis, Ryan St Julian, etc.
And you can go through every positon group and do that. Not everyone you sign turns into a starting player or starting caliber of a player. I mean you are judging a coach on guys that didn't play. Which is just dumb. The LBers that actually player under Chief, for the most part, excelled and were good.
Here are the players Chavis recruited to LSU: Tahj Jones, Lamar Louis, Lorenzo Phillips, Kendall Beckwith, Josh Boutte, Greg Gilmore, Frank Herron, Lewis Neal, and Clifton Garrett.
Kelvin Sheppard did very little before Chief got here. And Minters first year was 2009, same as Chief. He fully developed as a LBer under Chief. And Lamin Barrow didn't live up to the billing? Really? He was a 3* LBer out of high school and had a very good career at LSU.
And your list of players pretty much consists of 3* players and guys who transferred. And Debo has flashed and made plays when he's been in, and will be a starter next year. The verdict is still out on debo and duke. And do you realize you can do that at every position? Go through each class the last x amount of years and list guys that didn't pan out. Not too hard. For example, we are known as "DBU"... Yet here are guys we have signed recently that haven't done much... Derrick Raymond, Jerqwinick Sandolph, Kavarha Holmes, David Jenkins, Josh Johns, Derrick Bryant, Rocky Duplesis, Ryan St Julian, etc.
And you can go through every positon group and do that. Not everyone you sign turns into a starting player or starting caliber of a player. I mean you are judging a coach on guys that didn't play. Which is just dumb. The LBers that actually player under Chief, for the most part, excelled and were good.
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Posted on 1/26/15 at 6:35 pm to DTRooster
Oh I agree 100% with that and think it was a BS excuse. I mean Kwon started for 3 years here... You mean to tell me he couldnt line up the D or make the calls?
I think they just used that as an excuse to why he wasn't playing over Welter.
I think they just used that as an excuse to why he wasn't playing over Welter.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 6:39 pm to LSU 318 LSU
It may well be that the Tigers are waiting on some bigger names, but the main one that I see still strongly considering LSU (hopefully) is Leo Lewis.
I would not have minded LSU offering both Lewis and McGinnis, which I suppose could still happen but it looks unlikely.
I would not have minded LSU offering both Lewis and McGinnis, which I suppose could still happen but it looks unlikely.
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