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re: Did the font and/or layout just change

Posted on 3/13/15 at 8:25 pm to
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 3/13/15 at 8:25 pm to
What is the title block? Screen shot?
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 8:26 pm
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 3/13/15 at 9:00 pm to
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Thread titles are no longer underlined on Help Board.


Underlined links seem to be somewhat of a digital anachronism. This was a popular design element 15 years ago, but it has become veritably outmoded.











The site looks far cleaner without underlined thread titles.
Posted by LewDawg
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:15 am to
Alta Vista? That's a name I haven't heard in a long time
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 10:33 am to
Cough...screen shot?
Posted by Circus Child
Loc
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 12:06 pm to
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I don't have upvotes or downvotes tallies on any replies, only the OP.


Is this still an issue? What browser and version are you using? Thanks
Posted by LewDawg
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 12:09 pm to
Sorry, Chicken. I'll email it tonight. I'm at work.
Posted by S
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 1:04 pm to
im with you bronah hill
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

Underlined links seem to be somewhat of a digital anachronism. This was a popular design element 15 years ago, but it has become veritably outmoded.


I disagree. With the board set up as it is now with its theme of simplicity and efficiency, underlined really brings out the titles and make it easier to read. Before this thread, I've literally never heard of people having a problem with underlined thread titles and no one has ever complained about it to my knowledge.

Chicken and Circus Child, it's your site and the buck stops with you both on what changes are made on it. With that said, I respectfully dissent to the idea of removing underlining from thread titles. It's fine the way it is and there's no complaints about it from board membership to my knowledge.

Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 3:41 pm to
I am really torn here, guys. I must enter a state of mull
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 3:45 pm to
Oh and I just noticed underlining gone from usernames as well inside threads on this board. They look small now from my point of view.

Good luck mulling.
Posted by Cs
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 8:08 pm to
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With the board set up as it is now with its theme of simplicity and efficiency, underlined really brings out the titles and make it easier to read. Before this thread, I've literally never heard of people having a problem with underlined thread titles and no one has ever complained about it to my knowledge.



Posters don't have a problem with underlined thread titles because that design element has remained constant since this site's inception. At this point, people are simply used to it. However, that doesn't mean it conforms to contemporary design principles.

As mentioned, underlined links were common 15 years ago when the internet was still in its relative nascency (as shown in the images above).

Even Google last year moved away from underlined links.

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Google removes underlined links, says goodbye to 1996

Google started life as a research project in 1996 to crawl the internet and create a search engine. 18 years later, Google is now removing the last of the design left over from that era. Starting today, the '90s-style underlined links are being removed from Google search results. It truly marks the end of an era of the web, with underlined links a familiar method used by web developers to highlight links on sites like Geocities, Altavista, and pets.com.





There's nothing inherently "bad" about underlined links...they just look completely antiquated from a design perspective. I think this site needs to conform to contemporary design standards and, like Google and a multitude of other sites, needs to start removing aesthetic remnants from the 90s.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 9:39 pm to
I don't know man. History has a tendency to repeat itself. Right now td could be seen as a hipster if you will still rocking it's underlined links.

Then when the underlined links start making a come back it'll be viewed as a trend setter, then it'll go back to being a hipster, then back to trend setter, etc.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 11:02 pm to
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Posters don't have a problem with underlined thread titles because that design element has remained constant since this site's inception. At this point, people are simply used to it.


No, it means there was never a problem with the way it looked and and these same posters use a lot of other sites that don't have underlining and the layout TD has. TD isn't the only site posters use on the Internet.

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they just look completely antiquated from a design perspective


It works for TD which hasn't changed its board layout much and no, the help board does not count. It's only added some new features here and there to help follow and keep track of discussion.

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I think this site needs to conform to contemporary design standards


TD thrives because its site layout is simple, easy to read and navigate and underlining is a part of that. You will kill the site if you change it to look like reddit or Tumblr.

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Google and a multitude of other sites, needs to start removing aesthetic remnants from the 90s.


Did you just call the biggest and most important website in the history of the Internet antiquated and outdated?
Posted by Cs
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/14/15 at 11:58 pm to
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No, it means there was never a problem with the way it looked and and these same posters use a lot of other sites that don't have underlining and the layout TD has


If other sites suddenly reverted back to underlined links, there would likely be numerous threads on the OT complaining about how ugly those sites now looked. People have acclimated to this site's aesthetics, which is completely natural. This doesn't mean the site should remain static in terms of its evolution.

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TD thrives because its site layout is simple, easy to read and navigate and underlining is a part of that. You will kill the site if you change it to look like reddit or Tumblr.


No one is suggesting a massive design alteration to the site. Additionally, this site isn't so "simple" when you compare it with other message boards. Take a look at the intersected lines in each post - it almost looks like an Excel spreadsheet. Much of this is entirely unnecessary, and could be redesigned such that its presentation is far simpler. Again, though, since many people have been using this site on a near daily basis for years, it's just something that doesn't quite get their attention. The response titles in every single post ("re: (thread title)") is another artifact from the 90's internet that has essentially been eradicated from other forums, yet it is still present here.

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Did you just call the biggest and most important website in the history of the Internet antiquated and outdated?


The article I posted above detailed Google's decision to remove outdated design elements from its site, specifically with underlined result links. Most other major sites have followed this trend.

Regardless of whether or not you prefer underlined links on this site, it can't be denied that this was a design trend in the early days of the internet which has largely become extinct. Objectively speaking, it's an outmoded design element - this isn't debatable. It was omnipresent in the late 90s and early 2000s, yet is almost non-existent now on most sites.

If underlined links remain on TD, that's fine - although I think it's important for the site to continually evolve not only in terms of its design, but also its functionality. Why are there organizational headers and drop down menus for the forum list on the SEC Rant, but not TD? What if we could customize the order and presence of the forum list? Why aren't posts numbered throughout a thread so that specific posts can be found more easily? Why can't we view what we've previously upvoted and downvoted? Why can't we customize the amount of threads that appear on a given page? Why don't we have folders to organize and keep track of our bookmarked threads? All of these questions relate to a lack of design coherency or functionality, all due to an inordinately slow rate in the evolution of this site.

TD is great, and we all enjoy it, but the site could certainly make a few major improvements to its overall design and functionality while still retaining its soul.
This post was edited on 3/14/15 at 11:59 pm
Posted by DollaChoppa
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 12:28 am to
Man, when shite isnt underlined it really fricks with how i view the text. Like I swear the words in the thread titles arent on the same plane but i think its just because of the different font.

I think the underlines should be removed though. For example: I have no issue with this NC State sports forum and none of that is underlined.

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This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 12:30 am
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 11:53 am to
It looks fricking terrible like this. Maybe the font needs to just be bolded or something but it looks terrible
Posted by Ed Osteen
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:41 pm to
Threads looks much better underlined
Posted by link
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:27 am to
took me 4 years to realize you could click on the tiny name in the parentheses
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(Posted on 3/14/15 at 3:41 pm to Sentrius)
to jump to their post...b/c it was never underlined.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 11:24 am to
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took me 4 years to realize you could click on the tiny name in the parentheses

Posted by constant cough
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:05 am to
Ok everything just became all stretched out again.


The SEC Rant still looks normal




But now Tigerdroppings is all stretched out to where I can't see the replies or last post without having to scroll across each time I click on something.





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