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New meta-study: dietary fat guidelines have no evidence base
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:41 am
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:41 am
quote:Low carb, high fat all the way. Stop poisoning yourselves with "whole grains" while avoiding beautiful things like egg yolks, bacon, butter and heavy cream. LINK
Conclusions Dietary fat guidelines have prevailed for almost 40 years. The evidence base at the time of their introduction has been examined for the first time and found lacking. Evidence currently available provides no additional support. Public health opinion differed when the guidelines were introduced. Opposition to the guidelines is becoming more strident. Substantial increases in diet-related illness over the past four decades, particularly obesity and type 2 diabetes, indicate that a review of dietary advice is warranted.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:44 am to Big Scrub TX
Eat what you want, just cook it yourself.
Do a decent amount of physical activity.
Do a decent amount of physical activity.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:44 am to Big Scrub TX
I thought we already knew this?
the "fat is bad" myth died like 10 years ago
the "fat is bad" myth died like 10 years ago
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:45 am to Big Scrub TX
The worst think about fats is that they are named fats.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:49 am to Salmon
quote:We do.
I thought we already knew this?
quote:Unfortunately, it's still fairly fringe. Most people think LCHF is insane due to the orthodoxy they've been pummeled with for years.
the "fat is bad" myth died like 10 years ago
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:30 pm to HempHead
quote:
Eat what you want, just cook it yourself.
brb, going to lose weight by baking and eating cupcakes all day.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:30 pm to Displaced
quote:
The worst think about fats is that they are named fats.
We should start calling it oil
Posted on 5/23/17 at 1:37 pm to colorchangintiger
quote:And we should start calling all carbs "sugar", because they effectively are.
We should start calling it oil
Posted on 5/23/17 at 2:30 pm to Big Scrub TX
The LCHF diet is working wonders for me. In just over two months I have lost 45 pounds and feel great. The first few weeks sucked because of lack of energy but now my energy levels are good to go.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:16 pm to Salmon
quote:You'd be surprised how much of a minority we are in society...even with "health conscious" people. The vast majority still think fat is bad because its written in 50 year old books
the "fat is bad" myth died like 10 years ago
Posted on 5/24/17 at 6:01 am to TigerTatorTots
Fat=Cholesterol=Heart Disease=Death
I am anti-fattie because clearly.
I wasn't always anti-fattie as I had always interrupted good fats such as those in guac to unharmful. I was wrong, fat is fat. Are some people less prone to heart disease and higher cholesterol than others? Obviously... But in this day and age to not consider cholesterol is deadly.
I am anti-fattie because clearly.
I wasn't always anti-fattie as I had always interrupted good fats such as those in guac to unharmful. I was wrong, fat is fat. Are some people less prone to heart disease and higher cholesterol than others? Obviously... But in this day and age to not consider cholesterol is deadly.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 9:55 am to aVatiger
quote:
Fat=Cholesterol=Heart Disease=Death
I am anti-fattie because clearly.
I wasn't always anti-fattie as I had always interrupted good fats such as those in guac to unharmful. I was wrong, fat is fat. Are some people less prone to heart disease and higher cholesterol than others? Obviously... But in this day and age to not consider cholesterol is deadly.
I'm really not exactly sure what you said here, but I think you're saying that Fat = Bad.
Well, let me tell you an anecdote about my personal experience. I am 33 years old now. I've had my cholesterol and triglycerides monitored since I was 24. They've been elevated since I started having them tested to the point where my doctor has been very close to putting me on statins, the only thing holding him back was my young age. I've been doing Keto for 3 months now, have lost 30 pounds, and just had my annual blood test. I've been eating a ton of avocados and using coconut oil for most things that need oil. For the first time since I started having it monitored 9 years ago, my cholesterol and triglycerides are at normal levels. I'm sure it has a lot to do with how many fewer calories I've been consuming, but to flat out say
quote:is naive IMO.
Fat=Cholesterol=Heart Disease=Death
Posted on 5/24/17 at 10:02 am to aVatiger
quote:Nope. Dietary cholesterol has little to no impact on blood cholesterol. Also, blood cholesterol isn't the demon it's made out to be. The ingested food which causes plaque and atherosclerosis is carbs/sugar.
Fat=Cholesterol=Heart Disease=Death
quote:I hope you can be convinced otherwise that this orthodoxy is almost entirely false. Like the poster below you, all of my blood markers have vastly improved since I switched to a diet that is 50-70% fat. Your body is designed to run off of fat. Period. Literally, your body has no need whatsoever for ingested carbohydrates. Even your brain - which is powered by glucose - only needs about 4g of glucose per day...an amount which your liver handily synthesizes as one of its normal functions.
I wasn't always anti-fattie as I had always interrupted good fats such as those in guac to unharmful. I was wrong, fat is fat. Are some people less prone to heart disease and higher cholesterol than others? Obviously... But in this day and age to not consider cholesterol is deadly.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 10:02 am to aVatiger
quote:
I wasn't always anti-fattie as I had always interrupted good fats such as those in guac to unharmful. I was wrong, fat is fat. Are some people less prone to heart disease and higher cholesterol than others? Obviously... But in this day and age to not consider cholesterol is deadly.
I typically stick to a fairly strict CKD diet where 5-6 days out of the week my diet is made up of 70% (give or take 5 points) of my diet comes from fats. The large majority of them being from avocado oil, with some saturated fats from beef, pork, heavy cream, cheese, and/or butter.
my HDL, LDL, VLDL, and all the rest of my levels are exactly where they need to be. Have them tested yearly for insurance.
Granted that is anecdotal, but not only are there good fats and bad fats, there are also good and bad types of cholesterol.
Maybe you are speaking from personal experience and maybe your diet was more out of whack than you think?
Posted on 5/24/17 at 10:04 am to aVatiger
Also, if you want to really geek out on the subject, definitely visit Dr. Peter Attia's website: https://eatingacademy.com/
Posted on 5/24/17 at 10:27 am to Big Scrub TX
Problem is fatty foods are going to be high calorie compared to low fat. If you have the discipline to stay within your calories, that's fine. I'd rather eat lower fat so that I can eat more most of the time. It's not necessarily the fact that they are fat, just that they pack in the calories.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:14 pm to KG6
quote:Right, but the offset in terms of both satiety and calories out should more than account for that. Nutritionally, the fat is what you need the most, so I don't like cutting it out. The entire diet should be structured around the fat intake.
Problem is fatty foods are going to be high calorie compared to low fat. If you have the discipline to stay within your calories, that's fine. I'd rather eat lower fat so that I can eat more most of the time. It's not necessarily the fact that they are fat, just that they pack in the calories.
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
yep dietary fat really has no effect on blood levels. On paper it might look like your LDL is raised due to the foods you eat but if they examine the actual platelettes then they will see they are of the larger variety which are harmless.
true cholestrol is nothing more than your bodies way of dealing with inflamation. Most inflamation in Americans is caused by our shitty diet which ends up giving us extreme imbalances in our omega 3 to 6 to 9 ratio specifically 3 to 6. We eat way way too much omega 6 and never enough omega 3. Also almost all of the grains found here in America have been modified in some way and tend to cause inflamation in the body for most individuals.
Its why diets high in grass fed butter/beef/ wild fatty fish/ free range eggs/ free range fatty chicken/ avocados/ and certain oils do such a good job of fixing this imbalance and causing inflamation in general to go down which inturn makes hdl go up and ldl go down.
true cholestrol is nothing more than your bodies way of dealing with inflamation. Most inflamation in Americans is caused by our shitty diet which ends up giving us extreme imbalances in our omega 3 to 6 to 9 ratio specifically 3 to 6. We eat way way too much omega 6 and never enough omega 3. Also almost all of the grains found here in America have been modified in some way and tend to cause inflamation in the body for most individuals.
Its why diets high in grass fed butter/beef/ wild fatty fish/ free range eggs/ free range fatty chicken/ avocados/ and certain oils do such a good job of fixing this imbalance and causing inflamation in general to go down which inturn makes hdl go up and ldl go down.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:54 pm to lsu777
The headline LDL number that is used as a proxy for "bad cholesterol" is almost entirely meaningless. Particle count/size/density matters way more. If you have to pick just one or two markers for metabolic health, I would go with tris and serum insulin level. You are right - cholesterol is one of the most vital products of the human body. It's almost fair to say the brain is an architecture that depends the most on cholesterol to function properly. The level of bullshite we've been bombarded with for 50 years is profoundly upsetting in terms of the real-world outcomes it has generated. I now know multiple elderly folks who have reversed out of Type 2 diabetes simply by eating LCHF. And they LOVE IT!
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