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4-ball rules question
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:56 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:56 am
I was wondering if this was against the rules to do in 4-ball:
Let's say your partner is on the green putting for birdie and you're out of the hole because you dunked one and now you're off the green. Is it legal for you to purposely chip your ball behind your partner's to give him a read on the putt? Sometimes this may not look obvious, but sometimes you could probably have to chip way out of the way and it would look obvious. I cannot find anything on this.
Really... what's to stop someone from doing that and just putting the ball 3 feet at a time? Douche move, IMO, but against the rules? I have no idea.
Let's say your partner is on the green putting for birdie and you're out of the hole because you dunked one and now you're off the green. Is it legal for you to purposely chip your ball behind your partner's to give him a read on the putt? Sometimes this may not look obvious, but sometimes you could probably have to chip way out of the way and it would look obvious. I cannot find anything on this.
Really... what's to stop someone from doing that and just putting the ball 3 feet at a time? Douche move, IMO, but against the rules? I have no idea.
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:01 pm to ForeverGator
Anyone who does that won't be playing in organized tournaments much longer. Who wants that guy for a friend/partner?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:01 pm to ForeverGator
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Is it legal for you to purposely chip your ball behind your partner's to give him a read on the putt?
You aren't that good, bro.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:04 pm to ell_13
It's strategy. I'm not saying do that if you're already on the green. But if you miss a green and are essentially out of the hole since your partner is not going to 3 putt, you don't think it would be good strategy to give him a read? It's a team game for a reason.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:28 pm to ForeverGator
I see what you are saying and can't speak to whether it is legal / illegal or ethical / unethical. But I can say this.
Putting is such a personal thing including touch. Your break while similar might not be my break. I may hit a little firmer than you which takes out some break. I may make more of a swinging motion which starts my ball on a different line than yours, and so on...
When you are in a scramble and the balls are hit from the exact same place it is one thing, but a few feet here or there may make a huge difference and that is assuming you can keep your ball on my line (remember you just "dunked" one, so we aren't talking great percentages here, if you could get it that close you should be able to chip to within a couple feet of the pin EVERY TIME).
I don't know if I would even be happy with my partner trying this. The mental aspect of putting is too large a part. Due to everything above there is little chance you give me a great read and a better chance your putt simply paralyzes my thought / read and I over think or miss the putt. I would prefer my partner just try to get up and down and come help me read my putt rather than try to get right behind me and show me the line. What happens when you get in front of me and just cause me to have one more distraction or you leave a great little pitch mark on my line.
I already am hating my hypothetical partner in this situation for MAKING ME MISS THAT DAMN PUTT!!! WE WERE SO CLOSE!!!!!!
Putting is such a personal thing including touch. Your break while similar might not be my break. I may hit a little firmer than you which takes out some break. I may make more of a swinging motion which starts my ball on a different line than yours, and so on...
When you are in a scramble and the balls are hit from the exact same place it is one thing, but a few feet here or there may make a huge difference and that is assuming you can keep your ball on my line (remember you just "dunked" one, so we aren't talking great percentages here, if you could get it that close you should be able to chip to within a couple feet of the pin EVERY TIME).
I don't know if I would even be happy with my partner trying this. The mental aspect of putting is too large a part. Due to everything above there is little chance you give me a great read and a better chance your putt simply paralyzes my thought / read and I over think or miss the putt. I would prefer my partner just try to get up and down and come help me read my putt rather than try to get right behind me and show me the line. What happens when you get in front of me and just cause me to have one more distraction or you leave a great little pitch mark on my line.
I already am hating my hypothetical partner in this situation for MAKING ME MISS THAT DAMN PUTT!!! WE WERE SO CLOSE!!!!!!
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:34 pm to The Rodfather
The reason I ask is the partner that suggest we try a 4-ball told me to do this if I'm out of the hole for whatever reason. You're not out of the hole if you just miss the green and try to get up and down -- in fact, you should try and have that completed so it takes pressure off your partner.
But what if you're off the green in and your only chance of making par is chipping it in? That's the scenario here. It may have a time or two in a 4-ball too...
If you chip it in front, you can putt your's out to show a read as well.
I'm just asking because my potential 4-ball partner told me that it's strategy to do that, but it made me scratch my head, because, like I said, if you can do that, what's to stop you from just putting 4 feet a time to show the complete read?
I donno, all hypothetical of course. And I am a good enough chipper to get it on or similar line in those scenarios.
But what if you're off the green in and your only chance of making par is chipping it in? That's the scenario here. It may have a time or two in a 4-ball too...
If you chip it in front, you can putt your's out to show a read as well.
I'm just asking because my potential 4-ball partner told me that it's strategy to do that, but it made me scratch my head, because, like I said, if you can do that, what's to stop you from just putting 4 feet a time to show the complete read?
I donno, all hypothetical of course. And I am a good enough chipper to get it on or similar line in those scenarios.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 12:39 pm to ForeverGator
It's not just chipping. Why not putt the ball to behind your partner? It's no different than basically placing the ball behind it. I may score a 10 but I got my ball behind yours to show you the line exactly. I don't care if it's not a rule. Don't do that. Wasting people's time.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 1:03 pm to ForeverGator
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Really... what's to stop someone from doing that and just putting the ball 3 feet at a time? Douche move, IMO, but against the rules? I have no idea.
I might let it slide once and call someone on it and explain how ridiculous it is for someone to do that but if they did it twice I don't think I'd ever play with them again and can't imagine many people would either.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 2:09 pm to ForeverGator
Your 4ball partner sounds like a lot of fun
Posted on 6/14/17 at 2:15 pm to ForeverGator
If you did this, I believe the other team can concede your putt so that you can't give him a read.
I'm not sure if you are allowed to putt it after it is conceded until the hole is complete.
Something similar happened to me recently so I just picked it up since I was out of the hole.
Here is the rule I believe
I'm not sure if you are allowed to putt it after it is conceded until the hole is complete.
Something similar happened to me recently so I just picked it up since I was out of the hole.
Here is the rule I believe
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2-4/6 Putting Out After Concession of Stroke Rule 2-4 does not cover the question of whether a player may putt out after his next stroke has been conceded. A player incurs no penalty for holing out in such circumstances. However, if the act would be of assistance to a partner in a four-ball or best-ball match, the partner is, in equity (Rule 1-4), disqualified for the hole.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 6/14/17 at 2:42 pm to Croacka
Nice find there
Posted on 6/14/17 at 4:22 pm to Croacka
Good find for match play. I forgot to add that this is for a stroke play state 4-ball tourney, so conceding isn't possible until you reach the match play part.
So obviously I'm doing a little research before playing that way, if that's truly a strategy, etc. Figured some of you baws would know.
So obviously I'm doing a little research before playing that way, if that's truly a strategy, etc. Figured some of you baws would know.
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