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re: Xbox One succeeds where the Wii U failed: user feedback
Posted on 7/15/15 at 3:35 pm to Mr Gardoki
Posted on 7/15/15 at 3:35 pm to Mr Gardoki
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Call it what you want, there is a large audience for it
You can say the same about CoD
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Not in 2015 and no evidence for it coming out in 2016 either. There are no details on the timed exclusivity.
You think that means it won't be out by 2016 then?
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Posted on 7/15/15 at 3:38 pm to Josh Fenderman
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You can say the same about CoD
Yes you can. I am talking about Microsoft getting big AAA exclusives though so COD is irrelevant to this.
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You think that means it won't be out by 2016 then?
Honestly no idea but I think it's funny that everyone is making random assumptions without any details.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 4:42 pm to Mr Gardoki
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I am talking about Microsoft getting big AAA exclusives though so COD is irrelevant to this.
And I was talking about that big AAA exclusive not being any different than it ever was. Why should I buy an Xbox for that?
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I think it's funny that everyone is making random assumptions without any details.
And I think it's funny this thread is a bunch of Xbox fans jerking off about how great it is and it still hasn't come close to convincing me I need to get one
Posted on 7/15/15 at 4:55 pm to Josh Fenderman
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And I think it's funny this thread is a bunch of Xbox fans jerking off about how great it is
well it is great compared to the wii u. are you trying to argue it's not?
microsoft's ability to listen to and change due to user feedback, has allowed it to succeed while the wii u has failed. hence the point of this thread...
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it still hasn't come close to convincing me I need to get one
don't care if you buy one or not. your loss if you don't
it's definitely better than my ps4 or my wii u
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:34 pm to Josh Fenderman
Regardless of you I think they have done a great job with it. I'm not an xbox fan and I don't even have one but I think they have done a great job.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 7:13 pm to hawgfaninc
Comparing the public outcry of Xbox's 2013 debacle to Nintendo's "Not announcing Metroid or showing Zelda" is a bad case of comparing apples to oranges. Xbox's outcry was much more than simply fans wanting certain games. There was so so much more pressure on Xbox to change aspects of their console.
Not saying Nintendo hasn't buttfricked us recently, but it's a little unfair to compare the two situations considering the outcry difference.
Not saying Nintendo hasn't buttfricked us recently, but it's a little unfair to compare the two situations considering the outcry difference.
This post was edited on 7/15/15 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 7/15/15 at 7:46 pm to hawgfaninc
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microsoft's ability to listen to and change due to user feedback, has allowed it to succeed while the wii u has failed. hence the point of this thread...
This is not the only, nor biggest reason, the Wii U has failed at all. The Wii U is kind of a collective failure: 3rd parties, Nintendo, Fans. Kind of Everyone's fault. Ultimately, that boils down to Nintendo not doing a good job managing the entire thing, but it isn't about user feedback.
However, some of the reasons it fails are exactly the reasons it succeeds for certain people. Right now, it's a niche market. With the Wii, not so much. Nintendo has captured that kind of glory in various generations, it just didn't happen this time.
This post was edited on 7/15/15 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 7/15/15 at 7:49 pm to Freauxzen
I'm wondering if they would be better going the underpowered route, as long as it's cheap. I don't know that we need a 3rd big time console and I'm not so sure Nintendo wants to be that.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 7:56 pm to Mr Gardoki
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I'm wondering if they would be better going the underpowered route, as long as it's cheap. I don't know that we need a 3rd big time console and I'm not so sure Nintendo wants to be that.
Wondering? They've been doing this since the Gamecube. And 2/3 generations it didn't work. Nintendo has to find the sweet spot. I still don't think they're going to suddenly make a full-powered console, but there is a place for the underpowered. It just has to be done right on all accounts.
I think the WiiU will be remembered better. It's the best Nintendo console since the 64. And if you don't have games like ZombiiU, Need for Speed, Lego City, Wonderful 101, then you didn't really give it a shot. Those are all super unique and/or awesome. And it was plenty enough to spell time between the big Nintendo release, which have all been stellar.
Splatoon, Treasure Toad, Kirby and Yoshi are well done games and are nice companions to the World, Kart and Smash.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 7:57 pm to Freauxzen
Wii u is too expensive for what it is IMO.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 11:05 pm to Freauxzen
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Lego City, Wonderful 101, then you didn't really give it a shot. Those are all super unique and/or awesome. And it was plenty enough to spell time between the big Nintendo release, which have all been stellar.
Splatoon, Treasure Toad, Kirby and Yoshi are well done games and are nice companions to the World, Kart and Smash.
Couldnt agree more with this.wonderful 101 is a ridiculous amount of fun
Posted on 7/15/15 at 11:34 pm to Mr Gardoki
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Wii u is too expensive for what it is IMO.
You mean the system with the most unique 1st party, Triple A titles? Maybe.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 4:32 am to Freauxzen
Yea the system that only has a handful of games that the mass audience wants.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 7:27 am to Mr Gardoki
Not sure if it has been stated, but i think it all boils down to not being powerful enough to allow for multiplats.
The model they use of under powered cheaper console and exclusives only is not sustainable. I know you can argue the original Wii, but that is an outlier that got held up by motion control and at least some multiplats.
The model they use of under powered cheaper console and exclusives only is not sustainable. I know you can argue the original Wii, but that is an outlier that got held up by motion control and at least some multiplats.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 7:28 am
Posted on 7/16/15 at 7:38 am to Mr Gardoki
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Yea the system that only has a handful of games that the mass audience wants.
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Not sure if it has been stated, but i think it all boils down to not being powerful enough to allow for multiplats.
Winner. That's the only thing they're truly missing.
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The model they use of under powered cheaper console and exclusives only is not sustainable. I know you can argue the original Wii, but that is an outlier that got held up by motion control and at least some multiplats.
The thing about this for Nintendo is that it's partly about continuing to design for the PowerPC chip which they feel more comfortable with and can still get something out of. It's allowed them to focus on experience rather than development. Again, a good thing with bad consequences.
I also wouldn't assume that the NX is the successor, just yet.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 7:40 am
Posted on 7/16/15 at 8:19 am to Freauxzen
Sadly, as has been mentioned here, the Wii U has some pretty solid games. I have one and it is a very fun system.
Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart, Smash Brothers, Wonderful 101, Donkey Kong Country TF, Super Mario 3d World and Splatoon are all tremendous games.
In the end I believe it will be looked at much like the Dreamcast is now.
I think the main issue with the WiiU is that is was marketed horribly as many people have no idea that it is a new system (most think its a Wii add on). Sad because it blows away the Wii.
Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart, Smash Brothers, Wonderful 101, Donkey Kong Country TF, Super Mario 3d World and Splatoon are all tremendous games.
In the end I believe it will be looked at much like the Dreamcast is now.
I think the main issue with the WiiU is that is was marketed horribly as many people have no idea that it is a new system (most think its a Wii add on). Sad because it blows away the Wii.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 8:23 am
Posted on 7/16/15 at 8:27 am to Freauxzen
So what happens if they make a powerful console and there is still no 3rd party support? Unless they can create something unique, I think long term they will be better off just making games and not hardware.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:33 am to Mr Gardoki
Nintendo isn't getting back third party support. At least not this gen or the next. There best bet is to release the NX and actually have some games at launch for the thing.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:35 am to GalvoAg
If they make a console on par or more powerful than Xbone and PS4 (and depending on architecture), I see no reason why 3rd party support wouldn't come.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:42 am to GalvoAg
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Nintendo isn't getting back third party support.
This is how I lean right now
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