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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:29 pm to UltimateHog
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:29 pm to UltimateHog
I haven't been following any releases because my dad has been sick but is there any reason to change from my 5930K? Anything better? I am finally going to finish my build I started a few months ago.
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:57 pm to LSU Coyote
So my 6950k is still better than anything from AMD.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:07 pm to UltimateHog
Well the 6900K is 4yr old arch Haswell/Broadwell. The issue is with IPC on latest arch Skylake/Kabylake.
So yes it is a problem for gaming. The price is great, was just hoping IPC was a little higher.
Now yes clocks, but can the chips reach clocks that high? Probably so but seems like AMD would have put them a little higher at stock.
Edt: I do love the the price/performance on multi core. Now, let us see application benchmarks. Instruction sets per chip and programs which utilize the extra cores efficiently are very specific.
So yes it is a problem for gaming. The price is great, was just hoping IPC was a little higher.
Now yes clocks, but can the chips reach clocks that high? Probably so but seems like AMD would have put them a little higher at stock.
Edt: I do love the the price/performance on multi core. Now, let us see application benchmarks. Instruction sets per chip and programs which utilize the extra cores efficiently are very specific.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:15 pm to stout
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stout
How are things?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:43 pm to ILikeLSUToo
Not good. Had to call and get Hospice to come start care today. It's a matter of time, unfortunately.
I appreciate you asking, though.
I appreciate you asking, though.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:25 am to stout
Sorry, man.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:48 am to stout
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stout
Sorry man
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 12:48 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:50 am to LSU Coyote
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LSU Coyote
Would be ecstatic for Haswell/Broadwell performance at that price.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:44 am to stout
Sorry to hear that stout.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:05 am to VABuckeye
Appreciate it, everyone
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:19 am to DoUrden
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So my 6950k is still better than anything from AMD.
Negative, the 1800X (2500 to 2100 per core) beats it by a good chunk and at 95w versus 140w.
You just paid $1600 for something that is inferior just months later to something for $499. Now that is fricking rough.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 9:27 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:33 am to UltimateHog
AMD set to unveil Vega 10 and 11 at their event on the 28th, they will be part of the RX500 series. 
It's happening!
HBM2 waiting lounge it's been fun.
It's happening!
HBM2 waiting lounge it's been fun.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:51 am to stout
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Not good. Had to call and get Hospice to come start care today. It's a matter of time, unfortunately.
That sucks, my father is n hospice right now and the time is getting close.
My thoughts with you and your family.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:52 am to UltimateHog
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You just paid $1600 for something
I have the 6850 my bad, it was late.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:12 am to UltimateHog
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Negative, the 1800X (2500 to 2100 per core) beats it by a good chunk and at 95w versus 140w.
You just paid $1600 for something that is inferior just months later to something for $499. Now that is fricking rough.
Okay, yes Intel is overpriced.
But you are comparing 3yr old arch to new arch from AMD. That 6950X is based on Haswell/Broadwell. So the single core IPC can't be compared. Really should only compare against Skylake/Kabylake chips for single core IPC. It blows it away.
That is the issue for gamers. IPC is what counts for gaming. You are getting less here.
Now where AMD destroys is multi thread price/performance. Intel needs to fckking lower prices. Love it. Now we do still need application benchmarks for multithreaded. The utilization is extremely specific for the instruction set. But I do feel like AMD will still wipe the table for multi price/performance here unlike Bulldozer.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:15 am to LSU Coyote
Intel how no newer tech correct? Their fault they have shite the bed for years now. Their top end $1100 6900K just got wiped up on the floor. You can't make excuses for Intel here.
I don't care about gaming I need something that can do it all, the days of 4 cores are limited, people want 6 or 8 core setups for multitasking and benchmarks.
I look forward to your Ryzen build. I think I will go 1700X.
I don't care about gaming I need something that can do it all, the days of 4 cores are limited, people want 6 or 8 core setups for multitasking and benchmarks.
I look forward to your Ryzen build. I think I will go 1700X.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 10:17 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:20 am to UltimateHog
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Intel how no newer tech correct? Their fault they have shite the bed for years now. Their top end $1100 6900K just got wiped up on the floor.
They haven't shtt the bed. It's just as much AMDs fault for Intel's prices because their bad decisions over the last 5yrs. I've explained this multiple times.
Now I do agree on the MOAR CORES. But..
I have used 6core cous since 2013. What exactly do you need it for? I've barely seen any benefit from it and just get them for the PCIe lanes.
Edt: Intel has been holding Skylake-E from release just for Ryzen. This is how the game works. You play a card and on too then competitor plays card and on top then repeat. It has been. This way for a while. It's annoying. Besides the Core series / Sandy Bridge release and Amds shtt respond with Bulldozer, they are really close. Only reason AMD's GPU department released this huge hot chips and lost to nVidia for a few years was because Bulldozer nearly backrupted the company. AMD is bouncing and challenging Intel again but IPC is still Intel's crown. Let us wait and see at launch but looks that way from leaks.
I've mentioned this before. Always found it odd but my old 4939K @ 4.4 would lose to my 8320 @ 4.3 in compression. Really was crazy but it was slightly less sluggish. The thing just was garage for benching because of their weird instruction set and moduler arch which yields poor IPC.
This isn't the same situation but it is funny how similar.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 10:30 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:22 am to LSU Coyote
Streaming, editing. Most people in 2017 do a little of either if not both. Building a $3,000+ PC that can only game and struggle everywhere else is less than ideal for most.
This is why you see so many using 2nd computers just for streaming or editing.
Also, more cores is becoming more and more useful even in gaming as DX12 has made large early advancements there that will only continue to improve as well.
This is why you see so many using 2nd computers just for streaming or editing.
Also, more cores is becoming more and more useful even in gaming as DX12 has made large early advancements there that will only continue to improve as well.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 10:27 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:23 am to LSU Coyote
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They haven't shtt the bed.
How have they not? They're about to lose their arse and got wiped up by AMD of all people because they haven't advanced their tech literally at all in 2 years.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 10:26 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:31 am to UltimateHog
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How have they not? They're about to lose their arse and got wiped up by AMD of all people because they haven't advanced their tech literally at all in 2 years.
Skylake was a jump from Haswell.
They had no reason to throw money into rushed R&D because lack of competition. Again, just as much AMDs fault.
And they aren't getting wiped. The results are stupid close.
Edt:
Who else would wipe them? They are the only competition on desktop CPUs.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 10:35 am
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