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I really don't get the fascination with exclusives

Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:56 am
Posted by CockCommander
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:56 am
Besides the fact that, subjectively, all the best games this gen have been 3rd party, I really just don't get it. Consoles for the most part exist for multiplayer because the best single player experience will always be PC. I own a console to play with friends.

It the entire reason why I don't own a PS4 and never will. None of my friends own one either. I'm not going to buy a console if I can't play with my friends on it, no matter what your game library is. And even if I did, I wouldn't buy a single exclusive on it.

The final nail in the argument is people claiming "I'm not buying a Xbox for that." How have you not already bought either a ps4 or an Xbox already?

The people who are going to buy an Xbox One X were going to buy it no matter what because they were already on that platform and the people on ps4 aren't because they are invested in a different platform.

I just don't get this argument.
Posted by Mystery
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:08 pm to
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all the best games this gen have been 3rd party


False.

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Consoles for the most part exist for multiplayer because the best single player experience will always be PC


False.

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The final nail in the argument is people claiming "I'm not buying a Xbox for that." How have you not already bought either a ps4 or an Xbox already?


Well when you already own one console, it is harder to invest in another. I am not buying both unless there is something I must have.
Posted by CockCommander
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:10 pm to
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False


That why I said subjectively

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Well when you already own one console, it is harder to invest in another. I am not buying both unless there is something I must have.


That's exactly my point.
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:15 pm to
As an amendum, it really frustrates me that games I want to play are held hostage by Sony just so they can stroke their own cock. The business might make sense but don't even pretend it's not anti consumer. I'm not going to play the game unless I can share my experiences with friends, no matter how good game is or how cheap the console is. It's really stupid to see people being corporate cheerleaders for a company that doesn't give a flying frick about you. Just let everyone play.

I just want to play a game. I'm sick of getting dragged into these childish stick in the mud arguments just so people can justify how they spend their money.
Posted by BulldogXero
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:16 pm to
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That why I said subjectively


"I really don't get the fascination with exclusives."

"I don't like them as much as third party titles."


Other people do. Your threat is pointless.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:17 pm to
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As an amendum, it really frustrates me that games I want to play are held hostage by Sony just so they can stroke their own cock.

You can bring this back to the Nintendo vs Sega debates if you want. All companies have exclusives that they don't want their competitors to have, its not just Sony.
Posted by CockCommander
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:18 pm to
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Your threat is pointless.


Where have I made a threat? I'm just stating my opinion. Are you seriously so insecure that you take a personal attack from that?
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:19 pm to
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Brosef Stalin


Of course, Microsoft is guilty of it too especially last gen.
Posted by BulldogXero
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:22 pm to
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As an amendum, it really frustrates me that games I want to play are held hostage by Sony just so they can stroke their own cock. The business might make sense but don't even pretend it's not anti consumer. I'm not going to play the game unless I can share my experiences with friends, no matter how good game is or how cheap the console is. It's really stupid to see people being corporate cheerleaders for a company that doesn't give a flying frick about you. Just let everyone play.


Sony not having backwards compatibility for PS3 is anti-consumer. Sony not supporting EA Access is anti-consumer. Sony not allowing mods in Skyrim/Fallout 4 is anti-consumer. The PS4Pro is anti-consumer.


Exclusives are not anti-consumer at all. They are a hook to get people to buy a certain platform. Otherwise you just gravitate to the most powerful system. People like to feel rewarded for their purchase. Being able to play good games that are only available on their platform of choice is a way they can feel that way.

These days consoles are essentially tiny PCs that do nothing aside from play games. There used to be distinct differences between platforms. Even third party games looked and in some cases played quite differently depending on if you played the game on Sega or Nintendo, N64 or Playstation.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted by CockCommander
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:24 pm to
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They are a hook to get people to buy a certain platform.


Holding a game hostage that other people want to play but can't for various reasons is a pretty shitty hook.

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Sony not having backwards compatibility for PS3 is anti-consumer. Sony not supporting EA Access is anti-consumer. Sony not allowing mods in Skyrim/Fallout 4 is anti-consumer. The PS4Pro is anti-consumer. 


I certainly have not claimed any of these things.
Posted by BulldogXero
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:26 pm to
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I certainly have not claimed any of these things.


Good business practices are not anti-consumer. Sony either owns the studios who makes exclusives or pays them a lot of money to keep their games exclusive to their platform. They're not holding anyone hostage. Why would Sony release Uncharted 4 on the Xbox One? Would it even be able to run on the hardware without visual sacrifices?
Posted by CockCommander
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:28 pm to
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Sony either owns the studios who makes exclusives or pays them a lot of money to keep their games exclusive to their platform. 


My point is I appreciate that Microsoft went away from this by allowing companies to release games wherever they want for the most part. Microsoft never owned Bungie and never tried.

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Why would Sony release Uncharted 4 on the Xbox One? Would it even be able to run on the hardware without visual sacrifices?


Regular Xbox One and Ps4 are almost identical so it would be shocking if it couldnt.
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:31 pm to
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My point is I appreciate that Microsoft went away from this by allowing companies to release games wherever they want for the most part.


Huh?

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Microsoft never owned Bungie and never tried


This is false

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Regular Xbox One and Ps4 are almost identical so it would be shocking if it couldnt.


There would be enough of a difference that visual sacrifices would have had to have been made and/or the resolution would have to be lower on Xbox One. Part of the appeal of exclusives is that they can really take advantage of a single system's hardware as opposed to having to balance performance on multiple platforms.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:31 pm to
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My point is I appreciate that Microsoft went away from this by allowing companies to release games wherever they want for the most part.

Why can't I play Halo on PS4 then?
Posted by CockCommander
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:33 pm to
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for the most part.


Microsoft has like 2 exclusives right now thank god. I didn't say that they didnt have any.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 12:34 pm
Posted by CockCommander
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:34 pm to
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There would be enough of a difference that visual sacrifices would have had to have been made and/or the resolution would have to be lower on Xbox One. Part of the appeal of exclusives is that they can really take advantage of a single system's hardware as opposed to having to balance performance on multiple platforms.


Given how each console has had various games that run oh so slightly different on one or the other, I highly doubt it.
Posted by CockCommander
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:36 pm to
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BulldogXero


Also please point out to me where I have laid out threats. You're free to continue this discussion all you want but please don't make up nonsense about me threatening people.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:43 pm to
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Microsoft has like 2 exclusives right now thank god. I didn't say that they didnt have any.



don't take Microsoft not having exclusives as a admittance that they just didn't "like" the idea of it... it is simply something that corporate didn't want them doing anymore. Corporate wanted Win10 to be a big deal, so now most of the "exclusives" are also on Win10 - that's the only reason.
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:43 pm to
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The people who are going to buy an Xbox One X were going to buy it no matter what because they were already on that platform and the people on ps4 aren't because they are invested in a different platform.


Then explain me, I am a PC guy always have been but I bought a PS4 to play some of their exclusives and won't buy an XBOX because anything they have I can get on PC.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:47 pm to
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I am a PC guy


and Microsoft views this as a win/win - they still get money and don't have to worry about making any hardware (which is a pretty big cost on their part most of the time) - and they actually get YOU to build it for them!

ETA: which once again is the REAL reason Microsoft basically told the xbox department "you are going to get rid of this 'only on xbox' crap this cycle"
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 12:48 pm
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