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Give me a good pc build for around $500

Posted on 12/5/15 at 8:15 pm
Posted by willymeaux
Member since Mar 2012
4753 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 8:15 pm
I already have a copy of windows 8 and I am looking to run games like Arma III and Fallout 4 with a decent framerate.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 8:39 pm to
quote:

I am looking to run games like Arma III and Fallout 4 with a decent framerate.

Raise your budget.
Posted by willymeaux
Member since Mar 2012
4753 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 8:40 pm to
$800?
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
65758 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 9:16 pm to
PCPartPicker part list: LINK
Price breakdown by merchant: LINK /

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($92.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Stealth 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($62.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: PNY CS1111 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 380X 4GB PCS+ Myst. Edition Video Card ($233.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $790.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-05 22:15 EST-0500
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 9:37 pm to
Better. At $500, you could do a respectable GPU or a respectable CPU, but not both, and the games you mentioned favor both -- particularly at 1080P at medium to high settings, an i3 or FX-6300 (CPUs that fit the $500 budget) will likely bottleneck a mid-grade GPU in those games.


So, what would be something like an i3/R9-380/no SSD on a $500 budget, turns into this for $800:

PCPartPicker part list: LINK
Price breakdown by merchant: LINK /

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($92.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 380X 4GB Video Card ($233.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $800.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-05 22:25 EST-0500


Note: I selected the CPU/motherboard with the idea of doing a quick and easy free overclock on the CPU to get the highest single-core performance possible. From what I've seen, that will be of benefit for Arma III. Alternatively, you could go with a locked i5, like a 4460, H97/H87 motherboard, and upgrade the GPU to a GTX 970 or R9-390.
This post was edited on 12/5/15 at 10:17 pm
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 9:41 pm to
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UltimateHog


But you forgot the case!



Interesting how similar our lists are. In pretty much any other scenario, I'd have gone the route of a cheaper i5 and a better GPU, but I was unsure of Arma III's quirkiness. Did you choose the combo for the same reason?
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
65758 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 10:07 pm to
I never include cases, all preference for the most part so I just let them choose. Some people like the retarded alien spaceship style, some like clean and simple, etc.

quote:

Did you choose the combo for the same reason?


The easy overclocking part yes, not the Arma part.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 10:14 pm to
I usually include a placeholder case for price guidance.

quote:

The easy overclocking part yes, not the Arma part.


Oh, I thought you were an Arma III player. Hmm, I'm second guessing myself now. I need to look further into Arma's performance. Could be $50+ better spent on upgraded graphics.

Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
65758 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 10:15 pm to
Have never played Arma.

Pretty sure Arma is CPU-intensive.
This post was edited on 12/5/15 at 10:17 pm
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18222 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 10:16 pm to
quote:

I already have a copy of windows 8


Torrent a copy of 10
Posted by el duderino III
People's Republic of Austin
Member since Jul 2011
2382 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 10:37 pm to
if you live anywhere near a microcenter they have walk-in only deals for what must be the best cpu prices anywhere. shave $40 off the i5 price.

If you're hellbent on cutting costs I would get an i3 and put you're money into a better gpu. I had a little rig that I threw together with an i3 4170 in it and it ran far cry 3, shadows of mordor, and witcher 3 all just fine. it will bottleneck for cpu intensive games though.

and this 4gb r9 380 is tough to beat for $160 LINK no way is the performance diff between the 380x worth almost 50% more

This post was edited on 12/5/15 at 10:40 pm
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/5/15 at 10:54 pm to
quote:

Pretty sure Arma is CPU-intensive.



It is, and so is fallout, but the question is whether the potential 30+% CPU speed difference will affect framerate more than a 30+% GPU speed difference at 1080p/high-ish settings -- specifically concerning these upper-mid-range GPUs (380x and 390).

I just came across one set of results that tested it at 1080p using a GTX 770 and various CPUs. They set it to standard quality (to un-bottleneck GPU), and the fps difference between a stock 4670K and one with a 1GHz overclock was less than 5% (162 and 170fps respectively). But the biggest drop in framerate seems to occur when testing the 8350. The i3's they tested outperformed the AMDs, meaning it's using 2 cores heavily and benefits from 4 threads a little more.

quote:

no way is the performance diff between the 380x worth almost 50% more

Maybe not, but I'm now thinking a 390 might be worth the $110 or so increase, even if the added performance doesn't quite scale accordingly (that's just a fact of life when it comes to the difference between mid- and high-range GPUs, always has been).

I wouldn't recommend an i3 here unless the budget has to be $500 again (which I'm assuming is what you were suggesting for that budget as well). From what I'm seeing, Fallout 4 solidly uses 4 cores, and benefits slightly from more.

EDIT: Here's my revised part list. I think this will yield the best performance in those games.

PCPartPicker part list: LINK
Price breakdown by merchant: LINK /

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($56.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: PNY CS1111 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $761.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-06 00:14 EST-0500

I used UltimateHog's SSD suggestion because it's totally worth getting the extra space for $20 more. You can go with a 16GB mem kit if you want, but only if you think you'll need it for tasks outside of gaming. You can add a hyper 212 evo for quieter cooling. Feel free to pick a different case (In fact, I encourage you to, because I picked it as a functional price placeholder only).
This post was edited on 12/5/15 at 11:31 pm
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