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re: Why are there so many mediocre breweries out there?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:18 am to Boudreaux35
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:18 am to Boudreaux35
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Because it is VERY easy to make mediocre beer. I know this from experience.
Truer words were never spoken.
Just like music, there is a lot of garbage out there. I mean people actually listen to rap music, so it should be no surprise that people also enjoy drinking bad beer too.
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Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:28 am to BMoney
quote:Not even remotely comparable. Bad beer to you is irrelevant to anyone not you. I mean, IPAs are bad as a whole. I have hopes that one day you'll get this, because you're a really good guy in all other aspects.
I mean people actually listen to rap music, so it should be no surprise that people also enjoy drinking bad beer too.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 9:30 am to Tiger Ryno
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hop delusion and hoapdillo finished 1 and 2 respectively.
Another detail from the blind tasting: While they were blindfolded he took the good beers and only these 2 were left for the tasting.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:38 am to Tiger Ryno
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hop delusion and hoapdillo finished 1 and 2 respectively.
Treble hook or kahle hook this morning?
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:41 am to HungryFisherman
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Another detail from the blind tasting: While they were blindfolded he took the good beers and only these 2 were left for the tasting.
Not true. He just replaced the CA IPAs with Jockamo, Rodeo Clown and some leftover Fort Bend Brewing IPA.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:52 am to Salmon
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the craft beer bubble is going to pop eventually and a lot of these "mediocre" breweries will either go under or be acquired by larger breweries
Kind of like wineries and coffee shops, huh?
I think craft beer is here to stay, unless there is a huge crash in the economy.
Will small breweries be acquired by large breweries? Certainly. Will some go out of business. Absolutely. I can see an equilibrium happening, rather than a bubble bursting. We'll reach saturation, and any new entrants into the market may push out an existing brewery.
This is why I think LA is a great place to open a brewery. There is a lot of space to grow. What Parish is doing - producing beers that pay the bills, while at the same time making beers that expand it's reputation is not unusual. Very few breweries don't do that. Parish will use it's Ghost in the Machine to grow it's reputation beyond Louisiana. I think they will need a few more great beers before they can crack the upper echelon of breweries.
In Oregon, it is tougher to open a new brewery, because, chances are, there is an existing brewery within a few blocks of the new one. You see a lot of breweries specialize in certain styles or types of beers, in order to find the niche that can draw enough people to pay the bills. You have breweries that do IPAs, barrel-aged, Belgian, organic, sours, gluten-free, fruit/vegetable, farmhouse, etc... In Louisiana, you can find a place where this little or no local competition for whatever it is that you want to brew.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:53 am to Jax-Tiger
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This is why I think LA is a great place to open a brewery.
Want to invest?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:56 am to LSUBoo
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Want to invest?
You trying to open a brewery?
I just bought a second house. All my available investment capital went poof...
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:58 am to Jax-Tiger
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You trying to open a brewery?
No, not really. I wouldn't instantly reject the idea if the capital was there though.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:04 pm to LSUBoo
Boo - you've spent time in Portland. There are a shite-ton of breweries. Not all of them are good. You would think the bad ones would disappear, but they hang on. Either they attract the locals who want a place they can hang out in and walk home drunk from, or they specialize in a beer that people like us find repulsive.
Have you ever tried gluten-free beer? The stuff I've had is nasty. There are places that specialize in it, though. How about fruit and vegetable beers? I've had some good ones, but mostly, they are crap, IMO. But they must appeal to some people.
Louisiana is nowhere near that saturated. You can just start a brewery and start brewing whatever beer you're good at brewing, and it should be successful.
Have you ever tried gluten-free beer? The stuff I've had is nasty. There are places that specialize in it, though. How about fruit and vegetable beers? I've had some good ones, but mostly, they are crap, IMO. But they must appeal to some people.
Louisiana is nowhere near that saturated. You can just start a brewery and start brewing whatever beer you're good at brewing, and it should be successful.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:10 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Have you ever tried gluten-free beer? The stuff I've had is nasty.
Yes, and I agree.
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How about fruit and vegetable beers? I've had some good ones, but mostly, they are crap, IMO.
Agreed again.
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Either they attract the locals who want a place they can hang out in and walk home drunk from, or they specialize in a beer that people like us find repulsive.
I think the locals thing is a big one. There were about a dozen breweries (at least) within a mile of our house in Portland, we didn't even get to them all. People probably gravitate to the ones closer to them. And there were plenty of brewpubs too... the closest to us was that wing joint that did their own beer, and their beer was nothing amazing at all, but they had good wings and seemed to be doing great business.
I think one of the biggest hindrances to this happening in BR is the zoning. Right now a production brewery would have to be in an industrial zoning, so unless that changes all the prime real estate is off-limits. I'm not sure if that would apply for a brewpub or nano-brewery though.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:15 pm to zacata88
if I were to open up a brewery it would be called "clone brewery" and would be clones of my favorite beers
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:20 pm to Coater
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if I were to open up a brewery it would be called "clone brewery" and would be clones of my favorite beers
Exactly. There are far too many beers and breweries out there for everyone to have their own thing to themselves. If you can make Pliny in BR, do it. World class is world class. Pliny wont ever be sold here so I don't see why you'd need to re-invent the wheel for every style you make. Just be great.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:22 pm to LSUBoo
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There were about a dozen breweries (at least) within a mile of our house in Portland,
Yeah, that was a pretty central location. I imagine that you guys probably bumped into breweries that you didn't even know were there, while just walking around.
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I think one of the biggest hindrances to this happening in BR is the zoning. Right now a production brewery would have to be in an industrial zoning, so unless that changes all the prime real estate is off-limits. I'm not sure if that would apply for a brewpub or nano-brewery though.
That's kind of my point. In LA, you won't be competing with all those other places, location wise. You can pick a spot in BR and there's not likely to be anybody else brewing beer within a few miles. Craft beer enthusiasts will drive to wherever you are and buy your beer.
The zoning restrictions need to be changed, though. I don't know the ins and outs of it, but it seems like the obvious gap in coverage in BR is a good brewpub that sells great beer and great food. A place like that should be able to print money. It seems like a place like that has very little incentive to brew GREAT beer, because they wouldn't be able to sell it off premise in BR, right?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:24 pm to Jax-Tiger
jax, not to go off on a tangent but I saw that deschutes was looking at opening an east coast location in VA. not sure if it is old news but first I've seen of it
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:31 pm to Coater
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deschutes was looking at opening an east coast location in VA
I knew they were opening a place out east, but didn't know that they had picked a location, yet. I knew they were also looking at NC and SC locations.
Deschutes is first class. They have a fantastic brewpub in Portland. There beers are all solid, and some of them are outstanding. They do a lot of one-offs at their brewpubs, too.
Deschutes self-distributes, so having a source on the east coast makes sense for them. That means they will probably be available in the few states that don't already have their beers. Like Louisiana and Mississippi.
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:34 pm to Coater
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if I were to open up a brewery it would be called "clone brewery" and would be clones of my favorite beers
i wonder how fast you would get sued
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:38 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Deschutes self-distributes, so having a source on the east coast makes sense for them. That means they will probably be available in the few states that don't already have their beers. Like Louisiana and Mississippi.
I thought Louisiana did not allow self-distribution. Am I mistaken?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:38 pm to Jax-Tiger
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It seems like a place like that has very little incentive to brew GREAT beer, because they wouldn't be able to sell it off premise in BR, right?
Correct.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 12:48 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Kind of like wineries and coffee shops, huh?
are new wineries and coffee shops opening up at the same rate as craft beer breweries?
but the coffee shop thing is interesting, as I see coffee shops as more of a neighborhood thing, as in most people go to their neighborhood coffee shop...I wonder if we will ever reach a point where we will all have our neighborhood brewery?
I assume its already kinda like that in Portland
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 12:49 pm
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