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Let's discuss flavor profiles.....
Posted on 6/11/15 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 6/11/15 at 1:55 pm
I enjoy cooking, but I primarily cook using recipes as a guide and doctor those recipes based on my taste preferences. I'm sure the majority cooks this way. I would like to start venture out and being more creative on my own, but when I start doing that my dishes end up tasting terrible. For those who create dishes on your own, how do you come up with the flavors and seasoning that pairs well with each other?
Posted on 6/11/15 at 2:09 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
Taste is so subjective. What is delicious to a person familiar with a particular combination can be abhorrent to another....then layer on a bunch of cultural rules (like the Italians' no cheese w/seafood), and you get some HUGE variety in what "tastes good".
Most people underutilize their noses when cooking. Flavor, after all, is really aroma: take good sniffs of those spices & ingredients...are they appealing? Do they make you want a second sniff? Then think about texture, color, sweetness, bitterness, acidity....read cookbooks to educate your palate, eat new things to keep your imagination engaged, try things (especially the ones you don't like) more than once...
Not everyone has the same capacity for smell/taste; there are biological differences in our perception.
If you want a good reference-y work, look at The Flavor Bible. It's a big ol compendium of complementary flavors. LINK It's full of lists of "matching" flavors.
Most people underutilize their noses when cooking. Flavor, after all, is really aroma: take good sniffs of those spices & ingredients...are they appealing? Do they make you want a second sniff? Then think about texture, color, sweetness, bitterness, acidity....read cookbooks to educate your palate, eat new things to keep your imagination engaged, try things (especially the ones you don't like) more than once...
Not everyone has the same capacity for smell/taste; there are biological differences in our perception.
If you want a good reference-y work, look at The Flavor Bible. It's a big ol compendium of complementary flavors. LINK It's full of lists of "matching" flavors.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 2:10 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
I'm a little unclear on what your asking. Are you tryin to cook a specific dish without a recipe or come up with your own unique dish?
Posted on 6/11/15 at 2:21 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
I think I get what you are going after. The key to doctoring a recipe is to stay within the same spice profile. For example, you are not going to spice a curry dish and spaghetti the same nor should you cross spice the 2. Meaning, don't make spaghetti taste like curry. "You're going to have a bad time." The trick is to stay within the same spice profile or palate but play with amount or other spices in that profile. So if you are going to add more cheese to a dish, back off the salt, etc. In spaghetti, to stay in the same example, you can add chili powde, but you wouldn't throw in tarragon. Does this make sense?
ETA: what you want to know more about is called Food Chemestry. Alton Brown gets dogged a lot for being a bit of an eccentric; however, of all the celbrity chefs, he is the authority. You can start a search from there.
ETA: what you want to know more about is called Food Chemestry. Alton Brown gets dogged a lot for being a bit of an eccentric; however, of all the celbrity chefs, he is the authority. You can start a search from there.
This post was edited on 6/11/15 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 6/11/15 at 2:27 pm to Boondock544
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I'm a little unclear on what your asking. Are you tryin to cook a specific dish without a recipe or come up with your own unique dish?
I speaking in general about the basics of recipe creations. Like which herbs and seasonings pair well together and with which proteins, etc. How does one go about knowing or learning what stuff marries well with each other. Is trail and error the only way to guage this?
Posted on 6/11/15 at 2:41 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
The book I linked will go a long way toward improving your knowledge, as will BETTER cookbooks (look for IACP award winners on Amazon) from various ethnic & regional cuisines. Read a whole bunch of recipes and you start to pick up on the commonalities....
I must respectfully disagree with the previous poster regarding tarragon in a tomato sauce. Plenty of provencal (southern france) dishes pair tarragon & tomato..google tarragon and tomato sauce and take your pick of dozens of tomato/tarragon/pasta sauces.
Ditto for curry...with a subtle hand, you can successfully use premixed western "curry" powders into Italian-ish pasta dishes. Plenty of Indian curries use tomatoes....would a native Sicilian do such a thing? Probably not, but Sicilians have some pretty strongly spiced items that would shock their Italian-American cousins.
I must respectfully disagree with the previous poster regarding tarragon in a tomato sauce. Plenty of provencal (southern france) dishes pair tarragon & tomato..google tarragon and tomato sauce and take your pick of dozens of tomato/tarragon/pasta sauces.
Ditto for curry...with a subtle hand, you can successfully use premixed western "curry" powders into Italian-ish pasta dishes. Plenty of Indian curries use tomatoes....would a native Sicilian do such a thing? Probably not, but Sicilians have some pretty strongly spiced items that would shock their Italian-American cousins.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 2:49 pm to hungryone
I was just speaking in generalities. Many things can be blended and added to different dishes, but when curry comes to mind, marinara typically does not. Tarragon can be used in tomato dishes, but if you are adding chili powered (hinting towards a more southwestern America flavor) tarragon may not be the next spice you grab. Again, I was speaking in generalities; though you are technically correct which is of course the best kind of correct.
I still think the OP should be researching food chemistry books and sites. I remember my grandmother was a wiz at it. She knew how to bake dishes without having all of the ogre dinars, bc she knew she could add more and less of other things and it would work. It's cool stuff if you are into that kind of thing.
I still think the OP should be researching food chemistry books and sites. I remember my grandmother was a wiz at it. She knew how to bake dishes without having all of the ogre dinars, bc she knew she could add more and less of other things and it would work. It's cool stuff if you are into that kind of thing.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 3:13 pm to CoachChappy
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I still think the OP should be researching food chemistry books and sites. I remember my grandmother was a wiz at it. She knew how to bake dishes without having all of the ogre dinars, bc she knew she could add more and less of other things and it would work. It's cool stuff if you are into that kind of thing.
Food chemistry is good stuff if you're into baking, but it's certainly not necessary for most savory non-baking.
Forgot to mention in my earlier posts--keep a log of what you liked/what worked vs what failed. Spreadsheet, notebook, marginalia in your favorite cookbook, whatever format works for you. But a record will help your brain to retain the good stuff.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 3:15 pm to hungryone
Flavor profiles sounds like something I hear on BBQ Pitmasters
Posted on 6/11/15 at 3:21 pm to CoachChappy
I found this book a very useful resource when trying to figure out what flavors complement others and how to prepare a unique dish:
Culinary Artistry, by Andrew Domenburg and Karen Page
Here is a brief description from Amazon:
"Through interviews with more than 30 of America's leading chefsa including Rick Bayless, Daniel Boulud, Gray Kunz, Jean-Louis Palladin, Jeremiah Tower, and Alice Watersa the authors reveal what defines "culinary artists," how and where they find their inspiration, and how they translate that vision to the plate. Through recipes and reminiscences, chefs discuss how they select and pair ingredients, and how flavors are combined into dishes, dishes into menus, and menus into bodies of work that eventually comprise their cuisines."
Culinary Artistry, by Andrew Domenburg and Karen Page
Here is a brief description from Amazon:
"Through interviews with more than 30 of America's leading chefsa including Rick Bayless, Daniel Boulud, Gray Kunz, Jean-Louis Palladin, Jeremiah Tower, and Alice Watersa the authors reveal what defines "culinary artists," how and where they find their inspiration, and how they translate that vision to the plate. Through recipes and reminiscences, chefs discuss how they select and pair ingredients, and how flavors are combined into dishes, dishes into menus, and menus into bodies of work that eventually comprise their cuisines."
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