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re: Is GITM available in most stores in BR or Covington?

Posted on 2/12/16 at 11:12 am to
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 11:12 am to
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I'd like to do a side by side tasting with Zombie Dust. I've had ZD once before, and it was pretty good, but that was a while back.
The recent batch was very solid. Hopefully getting some more in soon.
Posted by LSUGrad00
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 11:49 am to
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Envie


Earlier in the week Winn Dixie on Coursey had the 2/2 batch. As a bonus it was on sale for $9 with your card.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:19 pm to
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super secret


Posted by LSUSPARKY621
Dream of Californication
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:33 pm to
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I'd like to do a side by side tasting with Zombie Dust.


Did it with the 1/4 batch.

Envie has the stronger nose and first punch, but fades much quicker on the back end than ZD. They are neck and neck
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:38 pm to
Where are you getting Zombie Dust? I had a couple in St Louis awhile back but never have I seen it anywhere else. I liked that beer.
Posted by jmtigers
1826.71 miles from USC
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:50 pm to
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It only tastes different due to hop flavor changes over time.


Agreed. I havent had 2/2 yet, but the batch before when it was only a couple days old had a little dankness to it like the last ghost batch. But that faded quickly.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:51 pm to
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Where are you getting Zombie Dust? I had a couple in St Louis awhile back but never have I seen it anywhere else. I liked that beer.




You either have to trade for it, or no somebody who is in their distribution area.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:53 pm to
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the fact that people have to ask this about 1 of Parish flagship brews is sad




I disagree. Variation in the taste of the beer is to be expected. Heady Topper doesn't taste exactly the same every time, why should Ghost?

It makes for good discussion and keeps the excitement level when anticipating the next batch. The worst batch of Ghost ever is still damn good. Some batches taste different than others. Andrew has spoken about this.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:58 pm to
I suspect that increased production will be offset by new craft beer drinkers learning about the beer via word-of-mouth. That may suck short term, but long term, it will mean more good beer and more choices as more breweries enter the market.
Posted by Matisyeezy
End of the bar, Drunk
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:06 pm to
While true, Heady doesn't have the same degree of batch variation as Ghost, at least in my experience. Granted I haven't gotten every batch of Heady like I have Ghost (that would be almost impossible), but the large shifts in flavor profiles we see in Ghost can be frustrating.

Envie hasn't shifted to the same degree in 2016.
Posted by TigerWise
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:07 pm to
Momma always said life is like a batch of goats. You never know what you are going to get.
Posted by tigerfootball10
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:25 pm to
Upvote
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24719 posts
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:39 pm to
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Heady doesn't have the same degree of batch variation as Ghost, at least in my experience


Could be true. I haven't sampled enough Heady to know. I think as Parish starts brewing more GitM, they'll get the process tighter and the variances should reduce.

To your point on Envie, they are cranking out a batch every week. That probably makes it easier to replicate the process. They have it down pat.

My point is that I do LIKE some variance from batch to batch. My favorite Oregon DIPA decided to intentionally brew a one off this month, instead of their regular recipe. That's 2 batches that are intentionally different. Sales are spiking, as everyone wants to try the one-off. They even used the exact same can. Sales will spike again, when they start making the regular recipe again... Genius.
Posted by BMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
16246 posts
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:43 pm to
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but the large shifts in flavor profiles we see in Ghost


I'll post here what Andrew said about these alleged batch variations:

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OK, tried to refrain from commenting - I usually don't get involved in any discussion about Parish on social media. But its friday and I'm procrastinating and avoiding doing real work. Hopefully this will answer some questions.

1.) Thanks for drinking our beer and supporting Louisiana brewed beers in general by discussing issues like this. Great stuff.

2.) We hear everything that is said about our beers and I'm an arrogant narcissist with control issues. If I think our beer isn't regarded as the best or great or whatever, I take it personally as a knock against me as a man and I'm going to lose sleep until I get feedback that is acceptable. I don't like to lose at anything. The pursuit of figuring how to make face-melting great beer is more important at this point than consistency batch to batch. Why can't a little brewery in Louisiana make beers that are as highly regarded as the "world class" (hate that term, by the way) beers of today? Not saying we are, but doesn't mean we don't try to be on that level or beyond. The only thing standing in the way is change. Change for improvement. Change to learn, for knowledge. I didn't know anything about making beer 10 years ago. But I think about it all of the time. I obsess about how to make amazing beer. I want people to drink one of my beers and say "wow". If we aren't aiming for that level of quality, I just wouldn't be able to sleep. We could just not give a shite and brew beer the same way people brewed 30 years ago with the same techniques and everything. frick that. I'd rather go explore and try to be better, try to win. A guaranteed way to be average is to do what everyone else is or has been doing.

3.) We haven't changed the way we brew Envie or Ghost at all for the past few batches. Same hops, same pH, same grain, same techniques. Any perceived change is due to a few things that are mostly out of our control: Hop variation, seasonal nuance in incoming water chemistry, and ambient temperature. The biggest variable is hops, as some have mentioned. We use literally hundreds of pounds in a batch and even from the same farm, same lot, the 44# boxes can be different. We received a few boxes of Citra from our favorite farm in December and I actually sent them back and had them replaced because I didn't like them. Same farm sent us replacements and they are more acceptable. If you ever get to go to a hop farm, you'll see that the hops on the lines in fields are all so different from one another. Some get more sun, some get more wind. Some bines are young and some have been growing for decades right next to each other. Go look at the produce section of the grocery, maybe say avacados or whatever. No two are alike. Some are more ripe, some are bigger, some are more round. Some have more skin imperfections or had a bird pecking at it. These hypothetical avocados all came from the same place, probably the same field. Likely the same tree. When we brew a beer with the immense quantities of hops like Envie or Ghost or Hoptagon, the subtle differences in hops are apparent versus beers like Canebrake, where you'd never know if we changed it from Cascade to Sterling or Liberty (which have done before).

4.) I've had lots of so-called "world class" beers and they are wildly inconsistent batch to batch. I cannot think of a single time I've had Heady and it be anywhere close to the same beer I've had the time before. And Jai Alai was used as an example, I have noticed plenty of variation in that beer too. It once was one of my faves and I've consumed gallons of it. It isn't perfectly consistent. I could also point to there being a direct correlation between inconsistency batch to batch and the amount of hops used in a beer. The hoppier the beer, the harder it is to be identical batch to batch. I resent the idea that there are these unicorn breweries out there with beers that are flawless copies of one another every time they are produced.

5.) Keep letting us know about what you think of our beers and I promise we will try to make them as awesome as possible. If you think they suck, I'll change the beer. If you think they are awesome or badass, we will make more beers like that. No one or brewery is perfect. We will screw up. We do it more than I would like to admit. And sometimes we hit home runs.

Cheers - Here's to constantly evolving and never being satisfied with average.
Posted by urinetrouble
Member since Oct 2007
20501 posts
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:55 pm to
This really should be stickied at the top of the page for all the new money, wannabe-cicerones who are incessantly bemoaning the batch to batch differences.
Posted by TigerWise
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:10 pm to
We need a sticky goat thread
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:15 pm to
Nice.

Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101914 posts
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:18 pm to
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We need a sticky goat thread


Way better than a horny goat thread.
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
6439 posts
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:45 pm to
Andrew, boudini here, the guy with the gangster wiener dog who has had the first pour of batch 4, 7 and 8.

My only comment is:

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We received a few boxes of Citra from our favorite farm in December and I actually sent them back and had them replaced because I didn't like them.


Why didn't you smoke these?
Posted by tigerfootball10
Member since Sep 2005
9493 posts
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:50 pm to
Thanks for posting B.
2 things
Andrew, drop the Tude and brew your beer. It's your money on the line. Do whatever you want. People talking about your beer means they care. No one talks about Tin Roof

Beer drinkers, drink it and buy it again or don't. It's your money too. Bitching about it will not make him change. Don't like it don't buy it
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