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Interesting Farm to Table critique
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:17 am
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:17 am
This is from Florida but I'd imagine this is an issue everwhere:
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...."Dorsey said he buys pork from a small Tallahassee farm through food supplier Master Purveyors. But Master Purveyors said it doesn’t sell pork from Tallahassee. Dorsey said he uses quail from Magnolia Farms in Lake City. Master Purveyors said the quail is from Wyoming. Dorsey said he buys dairy from Dakin Dairy Farms in Myakka through Weyand Food Distributors. Weyand said it doesn’t distribute Dakin. Dorsey said he gets local produce from Suncoast Food Alliance and Local Roots. Both said they have not sold to The Mill. He named three seafood suppliers. Two checked out, but a third, Whitney and Sons, said they had not sold to The Mill yet. They hope to in the future."
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...."Dorsey said he buys pork from a small Tallahassee farm through food supplier Master Purveyors. But Master Purveyors said it doesn’t sell pork from Tallahassee. Dorsey said he uses quail from Magnolia Farms in Lake City. Master Purveyors said the quail is from Wyoming. Dorsey said he buys dairy from Dakin Dairy Farms in Myakka through Weyand Food Distributors. Weyand said it doesn’t distribute Dakin. Dorsey said he gets local produce from Suncoast Food Alliance and Local Roots. Both said they have not sold to The Mill. He named three seafood suppliers. Two checked out, but a third, Whitney and Sons, said they had not sold to The Mill yet. They hope to in the future."
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:21 am to Clint Torres
Same thing happens with seafood labeling. Some restaurants lie about the species and origin.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:21 am to Clint Torres
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This is from Florida but I'd imagine this is an issue everwhere:
definitely.... i'd venture to guess this is an issue with all "farm to table" that isnt actually on a farm. i've been to 2 true farm to table restaurants in my life, la provence and Blackberry Farms. They are both on farms....
Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:39 am to gmrkr5
From what I've seen, many of these places start out with the grand idea of being farm to table. At some point they realize they will get much better margins buying from the bigger suppliers. They never remove their farm to table logo and roll with their somewhat of a lie. You know, because they still get eggs from someone let local.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:27 pm to Clint Torres
I guess those two assholes from Portlandia had it right after all. They visited the farm so that they knew the chicken they were about to eat lived in good conditions.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 6:02 pm to Clint Torres
One of the biggest things I see wrong with farm to table is also cherry picking the farmers. Restauranteurs will support certain prime goods that eventually take its toll on the soil, but won't support things planted in alternating seasons that either go to waste or end up being a cover crop in the end tilled back into the soil and replenishes nutrients instead of turning a profit. I'd love to see an actual "farmer" to table based restaurant, supporting one guy with all of his wares and truly adapting a menu based on everything they have available from miscellaneous grains, greens, vegetables etc.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 6:48 pm to lilwineman
i haven't eaten at a f2t, but of the ones i've seen discussed on documentaries, they all charge an arm and a leg - or maybe just a leg ... am i wrong here? ... is there a lot to be said for paying top dollar for an asparagus picked that day? ...
Posted on 4/15/16 at 7:34 pm to lilwineman
That's why the whole fad is kind of a crock to me. It would be really hard for a restaurant to survive if they had to rely on only local growers. Produce is seasonal and certain crops only grow in certain climates. They're subject to drought, disease, whatever so unless you're doing the greenhouse thing, it's really difficult to be what they claim.
I should add this to my food pet peeves post because food labeling fads like "Farm to Table" really do bug me. The term in itself doesn't really mean anything, local isn't necessarily better and unless a restaurant is constantly changing their menu as the seasons pass, then it's likely a transparent rouse to make you think their food is "fresh."
I should add this to my food pet peeves post because food labeling fads like "Farm to Table" really do bug me. The term in itself doesn't really mean anything, local isn't necessarily better and unless a restaurant is constantly changing their menu as the seasons pass, then it's likely a transparent rouse to make you think their food is "fresh."
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:48 pm to Canard Noir
That's my point. I've been to a real farm to table. Super resourceful chefs and a way of past cooking mentalities with modern techniques and a bit of flair....these are wonderful. It makes you feel in the moment of exactly where you are and the season it is.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:55 pm to Canard Noir
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That's why the whole fad is kind of a crock to me. It would be really hard for a restaurant to survive if they had to rely on only local growers.
This. Our profit margins are so slim that reality must kick in at some point for these people. I run a very efficient restaurant and the profit is about seven cents per person.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:06 pm to jmarto1
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seven cents per person.
That's it?
Dint yall make a shite ton of money off of soft drinks alone?
Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:24 pm to jmarto1
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I run a very efficient restaurant and the profit is about seven cents per person.
Hmmmmm. That must be some restaurant jargon that I don't understand. 7 cents per person? As in per 100 patrons you make $7? I'm calling bullshite. That, or my and your definition of profit is different.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:11 am to lilwineman
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That's my point. I've been to a real farm to table. Super resourceful chefs and a way of past cooking mentalities with modern techniques and a bit of flair....these are wonderful. It makes you feel in the moment of exactly where you are and the season it is.
Agreed... I also think that the first people to truly start the movement deserve a huge amount of credit. That said, I like to think I'm a pragmatist and understand the difficulties of sourcing great product at the right time. I'm more than willing to pay a fair price but I don't want to be lied to. It's a crying shame that so many places make this most difficult claim without being called to task on it. People need to know that true Farm to Table means you can't get the Duck with Fall Root Vegetables in LA in July. Fresh Oysters are going to suck in April because the rivers are high, the water isn't salty, and oysters have their brains' on spawning. We as a consumers just need to be smarter and more aware while cutting some slack where its needed...
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:42 am to jmarto1
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This. Our profit margins are so slim that reality must kick in at some point for these people. I run a very efficient restaurant and the profit is about seven cents per person.
If this is truly the case, your business can't possibly be sustainable. A few cents on certain dishes while making 300% on Sweet Tea? That sounds more believable but I'm always interested to hear the struggles of a restaurant owner. I'm sympathetic and it really does fascinate me...
This post was edited on 4/16/16 at 1:44 am
Posted on 4/16/16 at 7:23 am to Canard Noir
The mistake a lot of people make in this type of conversation is to think we only pay rent, utilities, food and labor cost. There is so much more involved. Only business owners will factor in royalties, repairs and maintenance, workman's comp, liability insurance, small wares, section 179,etc,etc. You also have other factors as what type of menu you are running and your market size. The bottom line is that one isn't like the other. If I had a bigger market that seven cent number changes. If I had a higher end menu and the ability to be efficient about the costs involved then than number changes.
This post was edited on 4/16/16 at 7:28 am
Posted on 4/16/16 at 7:33 am to jmarto1
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The mistake a lot of people make in this type of conversation is to think we only pay rent, utilities, food and labor cost. There is so much more involved. Only business owners will factor in royalties, repairs and maintenance, workman's comp, liability insurance, small wares, section 179,etc,etc.
I'm too dumb to wrap my head around '7 cents per person' profit. Can you restate it in a way that the common man will understand how you are able to stay in business?
Posted on 4/16/16 at 7:34 am to jmarto1
So if you turn a 4 top, you average clearing 28 cents? If so, I'm sorry.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 7:51 am to OTIS2
Yeah, I'm sorry, but I do not see any scenario in which you could live off of a net of 7¢ per customer.
If you had 100,000 customers a year you'd make $7,000
If you had 100,000 customers a year you'd make $7,000
Posted on 4/16/16 at 8:08 am to GEAUXT
I just noticed it said seven and not seventy on both posts. Sorry for the mistake.
This is a part of the business that many do not understand. You pay a high mark up on sodas/teas, yes. However, you do not pay the same mark up on your entree'. Basic price elasticity is involved that lets us average out our costs.
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A few cents on certain dishes while making 300% on Sweet Tea?
This is a part of the business that many do not understand. You pay a high mark up on sodas/teas, yes. However, you do not pay the same mark up on your entree'. Basic price elasticity is involved that lets us average out our costs.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:59 am to jmarto1
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I just noticed it said seven and not seventy on both posts. Sorry for the mistake
Is $.70 per person really how you look at profit or is 7% your net margin?
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