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re: Homebrewing Thread: Volume II

Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:35 am to
Posted by LoneStarTiger
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:35 am to
quote:

'm about to dive into homebrewing....are any of the starter kits worth a shite?


depends
you mean like Mr. Beer, or like the kits that homebrew shops sell?
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:38 am to
At lunch, I'll send u a link when I get back to work. Or, call up LA Homebrew here in BR and they will get you setup
Posted by buffbraz
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:44 am to
Thanks Bug, I might email you and pick your brain a little before we start if you don't mind.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 11:46 am to
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Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 12:07 pm to
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buffbraz


So a couple questions before you start...

1) What's your budget range?
2) You plan on bottling or kegging?

Also, i highly recommend buying this book (or going on the website, i believe teh entire book is there).





This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 12:09 pm
Posted by buffbraz
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:19 pm to
I'm reading that book right now. That's the one you linked on the OP? Planning on bottling. As far as budget and equipment, I guess something we can use more than just a few times, maybe couple hundred dollars or more for equipment and first batch supplies? Probably don't wanna go over 400-500 to start with.
Posted by Canuck Tiger
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:21 pm to
IPA in the conical; time to have a few brews while the pork shoulder finishes up :)
Posted by BMoney
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

I'm reading that book right now. That's the one you linked on the OP? Planning on bottling. As far as budget and equipment, I guess something we can use more than just a few times, maybe couple hundred dollars or more for equipment and first batch supplies? Probably don't wanna go over 400-500 to start with.


Get a pot big enough to boil at least 8 gallons of wort in. If you're starting extract, your beer will be much better if you do a full boil. You can graduate to all-grain and still be able to use the same pot.

If I had it to do over again, I'd jump straight into all-grain brewing.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

I'm reading that book right now. That's the one you linked on the OP? Planning on bottling. As far as budget and equipment, I guess something we can use more than just a few times, maybe couple hundred dollars or more for equipment and first batch supplies? Probably don't wanna go over 400-500 to start with.


Gotcha. Well if this is something you see yourself getting into, then i'll give you my advice on what i would buy, knowing what i know now, if i could go back.

First, like B said, buy yourself at least a 9.5 gallon brewpot and i would suggest having one with a thermometer ported already. Got mine at brewstock a few years back. So you'd want anywhere from a 36 - 40 qt brew kettle, or if you are handy, you can modify an old sanke keg. A lot of places may try to sell you blichmann, but that shite is very expensive and unnecessary. I would also suggest the brew kettle be heavy bottom stainless, for heat retention and durability. I'd think you could find one for about $120.

Next, you'll want to buy a starter kit. This is the exact one i bought when i started and i still use most of the stuff.

BSG Gold DP-GFZY-7I2K Beer Homebrew Kit with 6 Gallon Glass Carboy



I don't think it comes with an auto-siphon racking cane so you'll want one of those too. or you could get a



or a sterile siphon starter



a plastic paddle for stirring the wort (or if you have something at home to use thats fine. I use this)

LINK

and then a fermtech beer thief for capturing the wort to measure gravity.

Those are the basics, IMO and i still use most of this stuff.

or you could get this kit, which is a more up to date version, except there is no carboy, only plastic buckets. I have never fermented in a bucket before, i only use carboys, but that doesn't mean they don't work. I prefer carboys because i can see the fermentation going on, and i'm not as concerned about headspace in my carboy.

ETA: Also, i use exclusively PBW to clean my equipment after, and starsan to sanitize. I hear some people use oxi-clean that works just as good as PBW.

The next question is, do you plan on doing extract at first to learn the ropes, or jump right into all-grain. Either method is perfectly fine.
This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 1:52 pm
Posted by buffbraz
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 1:59 pm to
Awesome thank you for the great info. This may be a dumb question, but I have an old welded stainless steel crawfish pot (not aluminum) that I don't use. It's probably 15-20 gallons, but that I'm not sure on that. Would this be suitable for a boiling kettle after it's sanitized or is there something specific in the boiling kettles that this pot doesn't have? I can snap a picture of it when I get home.
Posted by Canuck Tiger
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 2:04 pm to
My advice echoes the other guys but with a couple additional suggestions:

1) if you're buying stuff new, don't get glass carboys get the 6.5gallon PET ones. They have a bigger opening for dry hopping, they are super light, and they obviously don't break when you drop them. Keep the box they come in and you can cover up your beers while they're aging.

2) for your first brew, try to find a homebrew store that sells wort ready to go in packages. My local place sells kits that literally you dump 6gallons of liquid into a bucket, add yeast, seal it and add airlock, wait two weeks, and it's beer. Do that to get used to sanitizing, using a racking cane for transfers, and bottling. When you have that stuff down pat, go right to all grain just like people said.

3) if your cooktop is induction make sure the kettle you use is induction ready. As a related point, definitely test out brewing in the kitchen (this is a good idea because it makes a huge mess and your wife will quickly support investing in a propane burner or an electric kettle and a space for you to brew). I love my SSBrewtech stuff (I have a 7g temp controlled conical and a 10g kettle and am really impressed by the quality). Get a 10g kettle to start minimum and don't get shitty quality stainless.

4) if you are wanting to brew good hoppy beers get ready to invest in kegging ASAP.

Cheers!

Posted by buffbraz
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 2:07 pm to
We will probably do extract first if it is easier, but we haven't made any purchases yet so that is still up in the air.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

Would this be suitable for a boiling kettle after it's sanitized or is there something specific in the boiling kettles that this pot doesn't have? I can snap a picture of it when I get home.


Should do fine. It would help, however, if there was a port on the kettle. It's possible to use what you have, but having a port with a ball valve to drain out your wort into the fermenter is preferable, IMO. Or you could use a pump. But i think you really need a ported pot. They do have weldless ports out there for homebrewing.
Posted by buffbraz
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

1) if you're buying stuff new, don't get glass carboys get the 6.5gallon PET ones. They have a bigger opening for dry hopping, they are super light, and they obviously don't break when you drop them. Keep the box they come in and you can cover up your beers while they're aging.

2) for your first brew, try to find a homebrew store that sells wort ready to go in packages. My local place sells kits that literally you dump 6gallons of liquid into a bucket, add yeast, seal it and add airlock, wait two weeks, and it's beer. Do that to get used to sanitizing, using a racking cane for transfers, and bottling. When you have that stuff down pat, go right to all grain just like people said.

3) if your cooktop is induction make sure the kettle you use is induction ready. As a related point, definitely test out brewing in the kitchen (this is a good idea because it makes a huge mess and your wife will quickly support investing in a propane burner or an electric kettle and a space for you to brew). I love my SSBrewtech stuff (I have a 7g temp controlled conical and a 10g kettle and am really impressed by the quality). Get a 10g kettle to start minimum and don't get shitty quality stainless.

4) if you are wanting to brew good hoppy beers get ready to invest in kegging ASAP.


1. Glass seems cooler bc you can see the wort fermenting, but I'm open to something that doesn't break. What does PET stand for?

2. That sound easy, but I would think the fun part is boiling the wort? Might be good to start here though.

3. See above, but I have a high quality stainless pot that isn't being used. Hopefully we can use this.

4. Why is kegging better than bottling for hoppy beers?

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

1) if you're buying stuff new, don't get glass carboys get the 6.5gallon PET ones. They have a bigger opening for dry hopping, they are super light, and they obviously don't break when you drop them. Keep the box they come in and you can cover up your beers while they're aging.


Yeah. I have 3.5 gallon better bottle and it's pretty awesome. I only use glass because i already have 4 glass carboys. I'd switch them all out for plastic if i wanted to spend the money doing so.

Posted by buffbraz
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 2:14 pm to
It definitely doesn't have a port. So either I get a pump or purchase a new pot. I'm going to snap a picture of it when I get home though.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

1. Glass seems cooler bc you can see the wort fermenting, but I'm open to something that doesn't break. What does PET stand for?



It's just clear plastic, like a kentwood water jug.

quote:


2. That sound easy, but I would think the fun part is boiling the wort? Might be good to start here though.



That would be my preference.

quote:

4. Why is kegging better than bottling for hoppy beers?



Limits your oxygen exposure. O2 kills hops. You can make a damn fine IPA without kegging. But the longevity of your ipa will suffer. I started brewing 5 years ago, and i didn't start kegging until November/December. So you don't have to jump into kegging right away.

However, now that i do keg, i will never go back to bottling. So much less of a pain in the arse than having to wash 50 bottles. Granted, bottle washing for me, was a matter of getting a big plastic tub and soaking them all with PBW, rinse, soak in starsan, rinse, and let dry on a bottle tree. Plus you don't have to worry about bottling individual beers.

Also, if you aren't quite sure if you will take to brewing, there are smaller 1 gallon brew kits available. You could even do all-grain at that level with the equipment kits. The downside, is you have 1 gallon of beer as opposed to 5 gallons in the same time frame. Brewday might be considerably less legwork, though.

Posted by BMoney
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/23/16 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

1) if you're buying stuff new, don't get glass carboys get the 6.5gallon PET ones. They have a bigger opening for dry hopping, they are super light, and they obviously don't break when you drop them. Keep the box they come in and you can cover up your beers while they're aging.


Also great advice. Stay away from glass. Nothing good can come of it.

quote:

4) if you are wanting to brew good hoppy beers get ready to invest in kegging ASAP.


And this. Actually, once you bottle the first time, you'll learn why you should jump straight to kegging.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52749 posts
Posted on 5/23/16 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

It definitely doesn't have a port. So either I get a pump or purchase a new pot. I'm going to snap a picture of it when I get home though.




Well, you could get yourself a step drill bit and drill through the pot. Then buy some weldless fittings. I'm eventually going to do that to a couple sanke kegs i have. Just don't need to just yet.
Posted by buffbraz
Member since Nov 2005
5673 posts
Posted on 5/23/16 at 2:31 pm to
quote:


And this. Actually, once you bottle the first time, you'll learn why you should jump straight to kegging.


Good advice.
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