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Lack of popular FFB media that is auction-centric
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:40 am
i've been playing some FFB stuff from Youtube as background noise for a couple weeks (when i don't have something political on) and i've noticed that pretty much 100% of discussions center around nothing more than draft-based strategy
is this because FFB has become so popular, but that means that it's dominated by simpletons and the only way to discuss FFB in a general way is to use the most simplistic way to connect with the mass of idiots playing?
or is this because it's harder to discuss auction strategy and easier to talk about ADP?
i really don't think the 2nd argument holds weight. value is value, regardless of how it's calculated. also, the "worst case" scenario for auction is talking about the objective value of the player itself. even the "ADP is changing" argument holds little weight b/c auction values fluctuate, too
is this because FFB has become so popular, but that means that it's dominated by simpletons and the only way to discuss FFB in a general way is to use the most simplistic way to connect with the mass of idiots playing?
or is this because it's harder to discuss auction strategy and easier to talk about ADP?
i really don't think the 2nd argument holds weight. value is value, regardless of how it's calculated. also, the "worst case" scenario for auction is talking about the objective value of the player itself. even the "ADP is changing" argument holds little weight b/c auction values fluctuate, too
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
What percentage of leagues are snake vs auction?
Probably at least 80% snake, right?
Probably at least 80% snake, right?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:12 am to DallasTiger45
Apparently auctioning off a bunch of black guys is frowned upon in today's society
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
It just took espn to switch default to PPR. Give it time
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:27 am to SlowFlowPro
yeah auction is probably still way in the minority, hell standard scoring is still used more by the masses than PPR though that seems to finally starting to sway in the other direction
its also probably easier for guys putting the content out to spit out rankings vs assign auction values. Especially since each auction is unique. You can probably auction with the same group of guys on back to back nights and the results will be drastically different. So even auction "tips" are kind of useless.
So you'd be putting out content to a smaller audience that's tougher to quantify anyway
its also probably easier for guys putting the content out to spit out rankings vs assign auction values. Especially since each auction is unique. You can probably auction with the same group of guys on back to back nights and the results will be drastically different. So even auction "tips" are kind of useless.
So you'd be putting out content to a smaller audience that's tougher to quantify anyway
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:33 am to DallasTiger45
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What percentage of leagues are snake vs auction?
Probably at least 80% snake, right?
I would say it's much higher than that. Probably something like 95% snake vs auction.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Is there even a market for it? Your auction players are the more advanced guys that use direct source information to formulate values. Also, values and strategies are not the same from draft to draft.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:48 am to Toula
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Also, values and strategies are not the same from draft to draft.
This
Mike Evans just went for like $65 in the Tiger conference and Michael Thomas went for $43. Their ADP difference is like 3-4 draft slots. You can have an idea of value, but it's not even close to being as predictable as a snake draft.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 10:51 am
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:51 am to PortCityTiger24
Home leagues who like to live draft are hesitant to do an auction because they like the live draft aspect. Auctions take way too long for that
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:58 am to Byron Bojangles III
The only auction stratedgy I could come up with was spending $150 on a big 3. It wound up being McCoy , David Johnson, and Brady. Nothing I planned for had that happening.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:37 am to PortCityTiger24
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Mike Evans just went for like $65 in the Tiger conference and Michael Thomas went for $43.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:59 am to PortCityTiger24
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Michael Thomas went for $43
Baldwin for $32
Davante Adams $18
they all finished within less than 10 points of each other last year
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think a big part of it is auctions kind of ruin the socialbility of a live draft. Yea, you can ask 12 guys to bring a laptop to do a draft, but it's hard to expect everyone to have that capability. I'd say 8 or 9 of the 12 guys in my long standing draft still bring magazines to a draft.
You almost always need an internet connection for an auction to run smoothly. And once it gets going it almost takes constant attention from each owner. Snake you are able to lay back and bullshite a little more. If you start going over a few minutes to make a selection, we'll get on you but hey it's not really that serious as far as having a time domain.
Auctions make a lot more sense for leagues based on a message board. You know everyone is logging on to begin with
You almost always need an internet connection for an auction to run smoothly. And once it gets going it almost takes constant attention from each owner. Snake you are able to lay back and bullshite a little more. If you start going over a few minutes to make a selection, we'll get on you but hey it's not really that serious as far as having a time domain.
Auctions make a lot more sense for leagues based on a message board. You know everyone is logging on to begin with
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:23 pm to Byron Bojangles III
That seems to be the reason why my home league hasn't switched over to auction. It seems like there are difficulties with an in person auction.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:35 pm to Lester Earl
true losing the live aspect of it is why I haven't flipped my non TD leagues over
Posted on 8/16/17 at 12:54 pm to Lester Earl
We use a big draft board provided by the restaurant and do it all manually. One or two people might use a computer, but it's mostly the board.
Auctions are 100 better imo. You are still social, that doesn't change. Everyone gets an equal opportunity at every player, how can someone not like that.
The only people who don't like auction drafts are people who haven't done one.
Auctions are 100 better imo. You are still social, that doesn't change. Everyone gets an equal opportunity at every player, how can someone not like that.
The only people who don't like auction drafts are people who haven't done one.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:24 pm to DownSouthDave
I'd rather auction. And you're right when people end up giving in they love them. Problem comes in when 70% of the league doesn't want it because the 30% that does is at an advantage because they have auctioned before
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:44 pm to Lester Earl
That's a good point. But you've got to jump in at some point. Everyone who auctions has been in the same position. If that's what keeps someone from auctioning, that's unfortunate. They are really hurting themselves.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 2:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
Auctions are hard to predict, thus are hard to project and talk about
All it takes is someone to pay way too much for one player and completely change the complexion of the draft. It's what makes it more exciting and harder
All it takes is someone to pay way too much for one player and completely change the complexion of the draft. It's what makes it more exciting and harder
Posted on 8/16/17 at 3:56 pm to DownSouthDave
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DownSouthDave
I'm in a 15 year old league and have been campaigning for auction going on 5 years now and I can't get a majority.
I have pockets of owners ready to roll, but the majority won't budge.
Sucks.
I would love to do an auction.
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