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Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:47 am
Posted by cmoxon
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:47 am
Standard league...Cobb's matchup worries me Thursday
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:48 am to
Why is everyone even considering not playing Cobb? You always start your studs. Always. J.Nelson will be taken out of the game by Sherman. Who does everyone think is going to get the majority of the targets?
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 10:49 am
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:50 am to
6 team league?
Posted by cmoxon
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373 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:50 am to
I'm probably overthinking the matchup, too much time between the draft and first game, thanks
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:51 am to
How do you Jordy will be taken out by Sherman? Sherman only plays on one half of the field. McCarthy can line up Jordy on the other side if he wants.
Posted by cmoxon
North of B.R., way south of Heaven
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:52 am to
10 team standard
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:52 am to
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I'm probably overthinking the matchup, too much time between the draft and first game, thanks


lol, youre not the only one.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:53 am to
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How do you Jordy will be taken out by Sherman? Sherman only plays on one half of the field. McCarthy can line up Jordy on the other side if he wants.


Well, I will not be an a-hole on here like I usually am. Im assuming Sherman will play man coverage on Jordy all night.
Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:57 am to
Seattle plays zone.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:01 am to
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Well, I will not be an a-hole on here like I usually am. Im assuming Sherman will play man coverage on Jordy all night.


why would you assume that? he's never done that before.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:04 am to
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Seattle plays zone.


Yes, they typically run a cover-4 man under or and true cover 3 where he lines up on the left side of the field, but they have shown that they will let Sherman play press man coverage on elite WR's occasionally and shift the zone to only the opposite side of the field. I would consider Nelson an elite. Regardless, it doesnt effect Cobb as he will be in the slot most of the time and will never see Sherman at all.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 11:09 am
Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:10 am to
Cover 3

He'll press and release to a safety. You're not going to see Sherman chasing receivers down field. That's not his thing. That's not Seattle's thing. That's why they elite safeties.

You must have forgotten how Green Bay likes to use Cobb. They move him around the field to and create mismatches. If Cobb lines up the same side of the field in a three wide on Sherman's side, who do you think he'll be responsible for in their zone coverage? Cobb.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:25 am to
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Cover 3 He'll press and release to a safety. You're not going to see Sherman chasing receivers down field. That's not his thing. That's not Seattle's thing. That's why they elite safeties


What? Do you know what Cover 3 is? The field is literally divided 3 zones and that CB is responsilbe for his deep third. If the reciever pulls his route to the boundary across Shermans face and runs a 9, he will go with him. If he runs a post route or deep dig, he rides him until he is out of his zone and then peels off back into his zone deep as the deepest.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:27 am to
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If Cobb lines up the same side of the field in a three wide on Sherman's side, who do you think he'll be responsible for in their zone coverage? Cobb


So trips right and Cobb will be lined up to the boundary? Youre off your rocker buddy. The only way he lines up to the boundary is to let inside WR's clear for him and he'll come underneath towards middle of field OR if they run a bubble screen, which is usually to the middle WR in a trips package.
Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
9330 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:57 am to
Who said anything about trips?

If you can't understand Sherman isn't a shadow corner nor has the speed to keep up with Jordy downfield, I can't really explain it I you anymore. Keep thinking he'll only be chasing Jordy all over the field though. I sure Seattle will change their defensively philosophy for Jordy Nelson.
Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
9330 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:03 pm to
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What? Do you know what Cover 3 is? The field is literally divided 3 zones and that CB is responsilbe for his deep third. If the reciever pulls his route to the boundary across Shermans face and runs a 9, he will go with him. If he runs a post route or deep dig, he rides him until he is out of his zone and then peels off back into his zone deep as the deepest.


And who do you think is running that 9? Who do you think is running that post?

And when he runs drops back into his zone, who's he covering? A zone/quadrant, not a particular player.

So you assume he's going to shadow Nelson all game but you somewhat of an understanding of Seattle's defensive scheme. You see how contradicting and retarded your assumption is now?
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:47 pm to
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And who do you think is running that 9? Who do you think is running that post?


What the frick does this even mean? The WR lined up furthest outside will typically run the 9 route, if no wheel is involved.

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And when he runs drops back into his zone, who's he covering? A zone/quadrant, not a particular player.


Again, what the frick does this even mean? Of course he's covering a zone or quadrant, but if Nelson runs half of his routes on the route tree he will still be in that zone and will almost always be the deepest in the zone therefore making that side CB his responsiblity.

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So you assume he's going to shadow Nelson all game but you somewhat of an understanding of Seattle's defensive scheme. You see how contradicting and retarded your assumption is now?


You make so many typos I cant even decipher what youre trying to say. I did mention that on occasion, Seattle will let Sherman play press-man on the other teams elite WR and shadow him anywhere on the field. The rest of the defensive rolls the zone to the opposite side. Let's just leave it at that because we are obviously on the wrong page.
Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
9330 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:18 pm to
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Im assuming Sherman will play man coverage on Jordy all night.


quote:

Of course he's covering a zone or quadrant, but if Nelson runs half of his routes on the route tree he will still be in that zone and will almost always be the deepest in the zone therefore making that side CB his responsiblity.


You're on the wrong page with yourself.

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What the frick does this even mean? The WR lined up furthest outside will typically run the 9 route, if no wheel is involved.


If they're line up on the same side and Nelson runs that post to the towards the middle, he will be Earl Thomas' responsibility. If Cobb is on the same side as Nelson and runs an intermediate route, Sherman will break off and cover Cobb.

Also, you think Cobb is coming off the field in 2 wide sets? You realize Cobb plays on the outside as well and Nelson in the slot too right?

My whole point here is to quash that notion that Sherman is going to cover Nelson man all game. He won't. That's a fact. While they do play plenty of man, they play a ton of cover 3 which will have Sherman covering whoever is in his zone.


Here's a breakdown from rotoworld.

quote:

The Packers emphasize wide receiver versatility as much as any team in football. Jordy Nelson can play the slot and outside, as can Randall Cobb. In the old James Jones role, Jarrett Boykin will primarily align on the perimeter, meaning he'll deal with Seattle's shutdown tandem of LCB Richard Sherman and RCB Byron Maxwell early and often. The Seahawks do not use Sherman in shadow coverage. Nelson and Cobb are every-week fantasy starters, but expectations should probably be checked in this matchup. This is not a great week to start Boykin.

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Me again:

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If you can't understand Sherman isn't a shadow corner nor has the speed to keep up with Jordy downfield, I can't really explain it I you anymore. Keep thinking he'll only be chasing Jordy all over the field though. I sure Seattle will change their defensively philosophy for Jordy Nelson.


Excuse the typos. I'm sure our conversation is done.

quote:

The Packers will be playing against Richard Sherman, widely considered to be the best cornerback in the game. Will Sherman play on one side only or shadow Jordy Nelson?

“If you watch the games, he’ll be playing to our right,” McCarthy said.

Randall Cobb is the Packers’ other main receiving target.

“Randall has come off his injury excellent. He’s had an excellent offseason and training camp. He looks like Randall. He’s ready to go,” McCarthy said.


This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 1:31 pm
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:37 pm to
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.Nelson will be taken out of the game by Sherman.


Posted by Gtothemoney
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:39 pm to
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