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So Gary Johnson voters...
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:29 pm
While I count myself as a Libertarian, I also don't understand why a 5% popular vote will legitimize a third party in this country. Ross Perot's Reform Party won 8.4% of the pop back in 1996 and couldn't legitimize. They had Buchanan, Nader, Trump, and Perot; but still couldn't gain any traction in Washington.
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:30 pm to Goose
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:31 pm to Goose
Just putting this here for the Allepo shite posters
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:31 pm to Goose
All votes matter
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:31 pm to Goose
I thought they'd since changed the rules to dictate 5% gains you public funding from the Federal Election Commitee. It also gains them equal ballot access.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:32 pm to Goose
Voting Johnson made my farts smell better. I can say all I want about the 5% and what not but I am just really glad I didn't vote trump or Hillary.
The equal ballets is a big deal since it's a massive pain in the arse to get on each state ballet
The equal ballets is a big deal since it's a massive pain in the arse to get on each state ballet
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:33 pm to AggieDub14
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All votes matter
I get it, but I just don't understand why a 5% popular vote will legitimize the Libertarian party more then finding some candidates with good charisma; that don't seem like morons.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:34 pm to Goose
Gary won't be the candidate again. He won it in 2012. He won it again in 2016. No one really paid that much attention. Once people started paying attention, his reputation was ruined. He will not get it in 2020.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:36 pm to Goose
I want the GOP to shift to more libertarian candidates.
Them losing votes to the libertarian party would or should cause them to shift their focus.
Them losing votes to the libertarian party would or should cause them to shift their focus.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:36 pm to AggieDub14
Would Rand Paul come back to the Libertarian party?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:36 pm to Goose
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I also don't understand why a 5% popular vote will legitimize a third party
5 is the threshold for ballot access and matching funds
with a message that resonates with such a huge part of the electorate, and a candidate that comes across well, this could (eventually) be game changing
eta: easier ballot access frees up a lot of time and ground resources to campaign and get in the conversations earlier
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:37 pm to AggieDub14
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Gary won't be the candidate again. He won it in 2012. He won it again in 2016. No one really paid that much attention. Once people started paying attention, his reputation was ruined. He will not get it in 2020.
It's more about the party than GJ
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:37 pm to AggieDub14
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All votes matter
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:37 pm to Goose
2 consecutive elections at 5% would gain the Libertarians ballot access in all states. Also:
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In terms of financing, 5 percent will radically change the Libertarian candidate’s hand in the next election. Indeed 5 percent is the milestone set by the Federal Election Commission to be eligible for the Presidential Election Campaign Fund’s grant. The amount of public funding available to the minor party candidate is based on the the ratio of the party’s popular vote in the preceding presidential election to the average popular vote of the two major party candidates in that election.
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If either candidate can net 5 percent of the popular vote on Nov. 8, they’ll unlock up to $10 million in additional federal funding for future elections. That money could unleash more political power by enabling the Greens or Libertarians to reach more potential voters.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:39 pm to Goose
I don't think he will. He is in too deep with the Republicans. He is also Pro-life, which is against the ideals of Libertarians.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:39 pm to AggieDub14
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don't think he will. He is in too deep with the Republicans. He is also Pro-life, which is against the ideals of Libertarians.
No it isn't
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:40 pm to AggieDub14
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against the ideals of Libertarians
there are plenty of pro-life folks in the LP
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:41 pm to Goose
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I also don't understand why a 5% popular vote will legitimize a third party in this country.
It doesn't. The best way to greater libertarianism is through a major party. Learn from Trump.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:44 pm to Goose
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While I count myself as a Libertarian, I also don't understand why a 5% popular vote will legitimize a third party in this country. Ross Perot's Reform Party won 8.4% of the pop back in 1996 and couldn't legitimize. They had Buchanan, Nader, Trump, and Perot; but still couldn't gain any traction in Washington.
1) It isn't 1996 anymore. People are ditching the red team and the blue team in greater numbers than ever.
2) Trump is absolutely a great anti-establishment candidate, but he is not a libertarian candidate. I hope he wins this thing, but I totally disagree with his trade protectionism, new entitlement proposals, and penchant for strong-man authoritarian leadership.
3) I hope that republicans in the future will emulate parts of Trump's model, but the reality is that the GOPe will probably slip right back into the driver's seat of the party. Even if Trump wins, I expect to see Paul Ryan and other garbage GOPe candidates at the top of the ticket in the future. The red half of the uniparty will continue to promote war, illegal immigration, and unsustainable entitlement spending. The Libertarian party being in the debates would give people, many of them suggestible idiots, the opportunity to vote for fiscal restraint without "hating gay people" or whatever the outrage du jour is leveled at republicans.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:46 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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It doesn't. The best way to greater libertarianism is through a major party. Learn from Trump.
With 3 straight losses, the republican party will have to choose to go further right on social issues, or adopt more of the Libertarian approach to regain the people they are losing to that party. That's why it is important. A republican party that was fiscally conservative and socially liberal would be able to compete with the progressives. Social conservatism has been the death knell for the GOP.
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