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Hazelnut
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Question for everyone regarding Monty



First off, I realize there are a bunch of threads regarding Monty and I'm sure starting another one will piss some of you off. But this is a question that I felt deserved its own thread.

Question: Who here wants us to fire Monty right now (or soon) even if we don't get Karl or whichever coach you want us to hire in his place?

I'm asking because unless we can get Karl, (which we probably won't), this team will probably be way worse off then they are right now. I'm off the Monty bandwagon. But if we fire him now and are unable to hire an adequate replacement, then all we'd do is piss off our players and make them resent management. In other words, I don't want another Byron Scott out, Bower in situation.







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corndeaux
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Firing him now is a bit of an overreaction if you dont have Karl lined up, ready to go.

The team has underperformed and Monty deserves all the criticism he is getting. His schemes have been woefully inadequate or very, very poorly taught. His ideas on offense and defense seem to be the exact opposite of what any good coach wants.

Yet, they've played 9 games. This isnt a veteran team with a proven record tuning a coach out. No matter the coach, this team, like all young teams (yes, even like the young Thunder a few years back), will be inconsistent as they learn. There is still time to have a successful season- playoffs were never guaranteed despite what the preseason record was.

The message needs to be “your systems suck. Change them or you will not coach here much longer."






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tzimme4
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Firing him now is a bit of an overreaction if you dont have Karl lined up


I don't think the front office has even thought of bringing in another coach at this moment. The Karl talks need to go away till at least the All-Star break.






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Hazelnut
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re: Question for everyone regarding Monty


That's basically my line of thinking





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TigerinATL
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Firing him now is a bit of an overreaction if you dont have Karl lined up, ready to go.


Yes. I'm very much against overreacting. Hiring Avery Johnson or making a trade that kills what flexibility we have left to become a perennial 6th seed would be bad moves. You people better be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Karl should be available at the end of the season.



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Gtothemoney
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I agree. I want Monty gone NOW. I just don't think Benson thought we would be this woeful this soon. I don't think he's ready to pull the trigger. If we can't get a coach in now to install new philosophies, we have no other choice but to ride it out til maybe the break. If we still are as bad as we are now, IDGAF who they hire. Hire JayJay with his infinite wisdom.

I take that back. I don't want Avery Johnson.






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TJG210
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I don't think the front office has even thought of bringing in another coach at this moment. The Karl talks need to go away till at least the All-Star break.


Why so we can suck til then, and then make a run at the end of the season to screw up our draft position? Either fire him now, or go in the tank for the rest of the season, fire him then, and then go out and get a premium coach with a top 3 draft pick in our pockets.






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Split2874
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I hate the tanking BS go out and play.

This teams need to just run up tempo and quit trying to be a defensive team.

Because we are giving up points on defense already like we are an uptempo team just without the uptempo






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Fun Bunch
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Firing Monty now probably accomplishes nothing. It probably makes the situation worse.

You give him until the All-Star Break unfortunately, or you just stick the season out with him. Then can him.

Most likely you aren't going to get Karl mid-season, so its best to wait it out.






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ShamelessPel
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Firing Monty now probably accomplishes nothing. It probably makes the situation worse.


It's so bad I honestly am not even sure if this statement is accurate. I'm not so sure that playing street ball is that much worse than playing Monty ball considering the talent we have on this roster.






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The Estimator
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Firing Monty now probably accomplishes nothing. It probably makes the situation worse.


Unless we're replacing him with an Assistant or Avery Johnson, I don't really see how it could be worse than what we have seen/are going to keep seeing. Monty does not get this team amped. He is an inept game manager, inept scheme creator, and an inept motivator. Our team lacks the level of faith or camaraderie that a properly coached team should have. It just seems like the guys at the end of the bench celebrate out of habit more than out of actual unity. The 5 that are on the court are always making plays and gaining momentum outside of any set scheme. They are the reason we are holding significant leads in ALL but 2 or 3 games up until now. I understand this team is newly assembled, but it seems very telling that the passion is absent in Monty and that the team has a hard time producing consistently. They have far too little leadership--the primary attribute of any coach. Monty acts as if being head coach is just a job to him, nothing more. Think about ANY time you have heard him talk. Did he appear to be the type of coach that would inspire you, make you believe in the plan for the team, get you pumped for the game? No. A resounding no. He is a monotonous, below-average coach. Probably a great assistant, just nothing like what an NBA coach should be.

It sucks, because this team has serious potential that is being written off by cliff-jumpers. We are (1) average-defending, sharpshooting SF and (1) average head coach away from being--at the very least--a shoe-in 8th seed. There is no doubt in my mind.

All that being said, the FO will wait until faith has reached the breaking point--both in the locker room and in the arena--until making a move, thereby potentially compounding the difficulty of the task at hand for Monty's successor. I just don't want the guys we have to lose faith in this franchise. EG is a huge provider of in-game momentum (second only to Davis), and if he gets apathetic (which we all know how easy THAT is for him), the other pieces are going to follow his lead much more than Monty's.






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hendersonshands
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On the flipside, if you figure out early that Monty isn't the guy and can him, you get a head start on all the other teams who will be firing their coach. Karl has already said how much he likes the construction of our roster. Call his agent, gauge his interest and go from there





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Gtothemoney
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The Estimator






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Fun Bunch
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Call his agent, gauge his interest and go from there



If Karl was interested in coaching us this year, if I was the GM, Monty would already be fired.






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TigerinATL
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If Karl was interested in coaching us this year, if I was the GM, Monty would already be fired.


But if you were the GM Monty wouldn't have gotten you your job. I don't think Demps will fire Monty unless he gets to a point where he feels Monty's going to take him down with him. We aren't there yet, so if any hasty move happens it will probably have to come from Loomis.






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Gtothemoney
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TigerinATL


I'll ask you again. What's your opinion, does Monty still have the players' ears in the locker room?






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ShamelessPel
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My biggest fear is we make some dumbass trade to try to save Monty's job.





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Fleur De Lethal
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Unless there is a Karl type lined up and ready to go I don't want Monty fired. I'm not sure an interim coach wouldn't just make things worse.





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ShamelessPel
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Unless there is a Karl type lined up and ready to go I don't want Monty fired. I'm not sure an interim coach wouldn't just make things worse.


Dell went to great lengths to assemble this roster. You HAVE to let someone else try to gel it if it's not working. The fanbase had high expectations this year and riding Monty is going to do nothing but piss everybody off. At least bringing somebody, anybody, in here, will give us a better idea of whether it's Monty's coaching or personnel issues.






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TigerinATL
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Not yet. They are still playing hard, they just aren't playing very effectively. 3-6 is still too early for guys to think they're out of the playoffs. 5-15 might be another story.





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