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Topisawtiger
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Would Obama have been re-elected if?



If the truth about Obamacare had come out and the fact that he lied come out prior to the 2012 election would Obama have been elected? I don't think he would but for the life of me can't understand why Romney didn't have someone read and comprehend the bill and give him some ammo against Obama and Obamacare. I know they campaigned against it but it would have been much more effective if he would have lined up facts about it prior to the election. Then, imho, we'd have a good chance of having a President Romney instead of Obama for four more years. Curious as to what the poliboard's thoughts are on this.






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Cajunese
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I find that people vote based off of their checkbooks. Up until now, I'm not sure if people have suffered enough financially to know the difference. Now that Obamacare has gone into full effect, people will start to feel their pockets emptying out more to feel motivated to think differently.





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lsutothetop
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this is better in the end. if people are going to get pissed about the obamacare lies then they'll prolly be more pissed that they got conned into re-electing him on the basis of those lies, and they'll take it out on the dems with a vengeance in '14 and '16





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AlaTiger
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The Romney campaign, like the McCain campaign before it, was full of incompetents who thought they understood the American people and the political calculations of what they were doing, but they were essentially wrong.

The Republican establishment that both picks these candidates and then runs their campaigns are clueless as to how to win elections. They will get behind Chris Christie and they will lose again to someone else. They don't know what they are doing - and I am not saying that it is because they aren't true conservatives and America would elect a conservative. I am saying that they are political incompetents and they should not be in politics at all.






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CITWTT
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re: Would Obama have been re-elected if?


He would most probably yes, the Demons in Congress much less likely if up for re-election with a vote for the ACA on their hands.





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Topisawtiger
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this is better in the end. if people are going to get pissed about the obamacare lies then they'll prolly be more pissed that they got conned into re-electing him on the basis of those lies, and they'll take it out on the dems with a vengeance in '14 and '16


I hope you are right my friend.







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Bayou
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No, he wouldn't have been.

Romeny DID, indeed, front him on some of the falsifications he was spewing regarding HealthCare. People voted for the Black Santa Claus because he's the rock star candidate and runs for the party of handouts and freebies. You can't beat Santa Claus.



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4LSU2
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I completely lost faith in our nation after the 2012 election. Benghazi was enough for the common voter to realize this administration was completely incompetent and could not be trusted. Why someone would truly think the federal government could manage our health care system when every other program they have ever rolled out has been a complete dumpster fire is beyond my comprehension.

This is what 58M plus people wanted and this is what we got. The system was set up to hear its peoples' voices through ballot results. We deserve everything we get, IMO.






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Wolfhound45
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You can't beat Santa Claus.


This is sig quote worthy. Well said.






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germandawg
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Why someone would truly think the federal government could manage our health care system when every other program they have ever rolled out has been a complete dumpster fire is beyond my comprehension.


The reason is simple....your assertion is completely wrong.

The number of Government programs that are successful is pretty big compared to the zero that ya'll like to claim. Social Security, The GI Bill, The Department of Defense, The National Park System, The US Postal System, The Nuclear Regulatory Commission, The EPA...and the list goes on and on and on. The problem is not that these programs are successful, the evidence is clear. The problem is that these programs are villified by people who have a vested interest in seeing them eradicated.






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Rickety Cricket
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Social Security, The GI Bill, The Department of Defense, The National Park System, The US Postal System, The Nuclear Regulatory Commission, The EPA

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The problem is not that these programs are successful, the evidence is clear.

Stupendous






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Wolfhound45
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The number of Government programs that are successful is pretty big...


Serious, respectful question. Have you ever worked in the federal government? It is my understanding you are a successful small business owner.






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Topisawtiger
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Social Security


Seriously? Gonna be broke, too much going out with what's coming in. This ain't hard to see.

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The GI Bill


That's a good one.

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The Department of Defense


Had no idea the DOD was a government "program".

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The National Park System


The premise is good, just mismanaged. I say privatize the management with govt oversight. I'll give ya a draw on that one.

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The US Postal System


Please. So inept it ain't even funny. Turn that turd over to UPS or FEDEX and have the govt get the heck out of the way.

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The Nuclear Regulatory Commission


How many new nuke facilities lately? Hmmmmm

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The EPA


That one is not a program but a regulatory agency with waaaayyyy more power than the constitution allows. No way they should be making laws, that duty belongs to congress.


(This is my first time at breaking down a post and rebutting. I feel like a pro now. LOL)

Have a great day...






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RD Dawg
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Social Security?USPS?...EPA? What in Gods name are you talking about?You left out the Dept of Education BtW

The problem with these programs are with "people who have vested interest in seeing them eradicated"
So the problem has nothing to do with the performance of these programs its just the critics or special interest?
Right?








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germandawg
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Serious, respectful question. Have you ever worked in the federal government? It is my understanding you are a successful small business owner.


yes, I worked for the Tennessee Valley Authority for about 18 months spread out over 3 years in the late 80's/early 90's (by the way TVA is another Government success story). I actually do consulting now with the Department of Defense as well as private sector companies. I have never been a General Services employee though, when I worked for TVA we were Temporary Trades and Labor.

A big part of the success I enjoyed as a small business owner was due to public works projects. I, like all of my competitors (and almost all small business owners), fed heavily at the public trough. We liked our pork!!! That being said I made much better margins working in the private sector because there was far less competition in the private sector....but there was more opportunity for expanding business in the public sector. Basically the Public Sector projects I did paid the bills and the private sector projects made it worthwhile to take the risk of being in business.

S yes, I, like almost all American citizens, have benefitted greatly from being a member of society and a collective effort to make that society better. The difference between me and many of my counterparts is I recognize that when I am installing a traffic signal I am feeding at the trough and I appreciate the opportunity to do so.....most people in that position only regret that someone else is also feeding at the trough....and that pisses them off no end...






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Turbeauxdog
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Social Security,


Trillions in unfunded liabilities is not a success.

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The GI Bill,


A compensation benefit for soldiers makes your list? Does their housing allotment also make you list?

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he Department of Defense


What measure of success are you using? Given budget and results, I am going with failure.

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The National Park System


What measure of success are you using?

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The US Postal System


Disaster

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The Nuclear Regulatory Commission


Considering how desperately we need nuclear power and how little nuclear power we have. I'm going to call this an abject failure as well.

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The EPA


They recently reclassified CO2 as a pollutant. You can't possibly take this organization seriously.






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germandawg
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Social Security



Seriously? Gonna be broke, too much going out with what's coming in. This ain't hard to see.




SO projected bankruptcy without any change is a sure sign of a failure? The same thing can be said for Microsoft and Apple, my friend...these two innovative giants will also have more money going out than is coming in IF they do not change and adapt to changing environments. Yet we are supposed to expect Social Security to never change and always be viable? Projected failure is not evidence of a failed venture....any undertaking is going to fail if it does not change and adapt. Social Security is not exempt from this, but it has not failed yet and, if our leaders in Washington will do what is necessary it won't fail.

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The US Postal System



Please. So inept it ain't even funny. Turn that turd over to UPS or FEDEX and have the govt get the heck out of the way.




I agree....it is long since time to turn the postal system over to the private sector with government oversite just like socialized Europe has done for a long, long, long time. But again pretending that a program is not a success and offering private sector examples that duplicated the efforts of the public entity completely without the baggage or universal access AND the building of an infrastructure is missing the point completely. Yes, the USPS is experiencing a great deal of difficulty....technology has almost rendered the bulk of the services offered by the USPS obsolete....yet the USPS still offers those services to people who need them.....UPS and FEd Ex won't do that when they take over completely.

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The Nuclear Regulatory Commission



How many new nuke facilities lately? Hmmmmm



While it is not the mission of the NRC to build Nuke Facilities they are being built all over the place....there is even a nuclear power house being built in Waynesboro, GA as we speak....but there are many, many, many reactors being built and installed in all sorts of facilities around the United States and these facilities have proven safe to a fault....even the most notable incident in the Nuclear Power industry that the public knows of is proof that NRC regulations WORKED....

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The EPA



That one is not a program but a regulatory agency with waaaayyyy more power than the constitution allows. No way they should be making laws, that duty belongs to congress.



Rivers were catching on fire before, rivers ain't catching on fire after....SUCCESS!!!!

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(This is my first time at breaking down a post and rebutting. I feel like a pro now. LOL)

Have a great day...


Good job!!! You didn't resort to name calling and such and offered pretty good arguments for your stand....exactly what conversation is supposed to be.....






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germandawg
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Considering how desperately we need nuclear power and how little nuclear power we have. I'm going to call this an abject failure as well.


I knew this was the problem but I forgot it....it isn't that ya'll consider Government a failure, ya'll fail to understand the mission of each program and agency.

Building nuclear power plants or facilitating their construction is not the mission that the NRC is charged with....the mission is seeing that industries involved in the use of nuclear materials are operating safely....and the NRC has done a stellar job of this.


DO we really desperately NEED more nuclear power? What we need more of is distribution infrastructure upgrades....we have ample production capacity, what we sorely lack in some areas is distribution capacity and efficient distribution. There are so many transformers spread out across the US that predate the Nuclear Power industry it would boggle the mind....yet our crucial need is more production when there isn't a system in place to deliver the product produced? WOW.....






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Bengalroar
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He absolutely would have be re-elected. He would still have been handing out free money at record double amounts. Those people would still have come out to vote.





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Turbeauxdog
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Building nuclear power plants or facilitating their construction is not the mission that the NRC is charged with....the mission is seeing that industries involved in the use of nuclear materials are operating safely....and the NRC has done a stellar job of this.


Let me give you a bit of an analogy to show you how a program can achieve its mission and still be a failure.

Lets say the FDA's mission is, "To ensure food safety for all Americans "

If the FDA's regulations were so stringent that it caused food prices to rise to the point that people couldn't afford the food they needed. Would the FDA be a success?






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