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AngryBeavers
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected

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I think that 20 seconds is the weakest attempt.


All people are saying is it would have at least given us a chance. Blue grass miracle comes to mind.


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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
im sorry your god can't manage a clock. I never said the other reasons aren't why we lost just that your god can't manage a clock and despite all the other failures in the game we were still in the game and had a shot, until les miles watched 20 seconds tick away from the clock before using a timeout.

mett is at fault for his 3 ints and i never said he wasn't, chavis is at fault for his 3rd and chavis. miles is at fault for 1 not preparing the team (his own words) and 2 his retard clock management that just happened to ice our chances and be the finally mistake in a day full of frick ups. Im sorry its not acceptable that our 4 million dollar seal took the 1 percent chance we had and turned it into .0000001 chance of winning.

on top of everything else les miles excuses of wanting to the ice the kid and he didn't even do that right by calling the timeout when he did. If we were going to properly ice the kid we would have waited for him to come out on the field line up and before the snap called our time out.

just a big bag of fail on saturday


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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
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All people are saying is it would have at least given us a chance. Blue grass miracle comes to mind.


Right. What happens if Beckham returns it to our own 45 yard line and we have 18 seconds left? You can still work the deep middle in that situation and you'd only need about 15 yards for a chance at a long field goal. 2 out routes to the side line would have you in range.


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GRTiger
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IMO, 20 seconds to get roughly 45 yards with no time outs > blocking an easy field goal.


I'm just not so sure. To get from your own 25 to lets say their 30, in 20 seconds, with no timeouts, is probably about as rare as blocking a FG or a kicker missing from 40+.

Who cares? We were fricking terrible the entire game.


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The man is a game day idiot.

Plain and simple.


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Methuselah
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
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It really can't be defended.

I'm not debating that. (Hence the first sentence of the thread).

I just as curious as to what the odds were. I have to think the best chance would be a long kick off return by Beckham into FG range that still left enough time for an attempt. But I think that was a pretty small % chance.


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Who cares? We were fricking terrible the entire game.


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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
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I just as curious as to what the odds were. I have to think the best chance would be a long kick off return by Beckham into FG range that still left enough time for an attempt. But I think that was a pretty small % chance.

A combination of a strong return and one completion down field would do it.

Given our players, I don't think it's that unlikely. It all hinges on the outcome of the return.


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MC123
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
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Miles inferred that our best chance, in his opinion, was to ice the kicker and block the kick.


Miles didn't ice the kicker either, which makes this exponentially more infuriating. Icing the kicker would have been Ole Miss calling a timeout with 3 seconds left, letting them lineup and using your last timeout immediately before the snap. I was certain he was going to do just that when he didn't immediately call the timeout, but no, he called the timeout for ole miss. It is beyond me how a man involved in football for 50 years is so inept when it comes to taking timeouts.


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Vlad The Inhaler
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
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I just as curious as to what the odds were


No one can seriously answer this without some serious digging and I don't think anyone has the want to look this up.


It was a terrible decision because, if for no other reason than he "iced" the kicker before he came on the field which is not icing the kicker.

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Icing the kicker would have been Ole Miss calling a timeout with 3 seconds left, letting them lineup and using your last timeout immediately before the snap. I was certain he was going to do just that when he didn't immediately call the timeout, but no, he called the timeout for ole miss.


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RogerTheShrubber
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I don't care if it's a 5% chance, it sure beats zero. OBJ returning kicks, Mett, Landry and OBJ going against prevent defense. I'd say it's better than nothing.


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MountainTiger
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
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that is dumb though, when you are down a touchdown you dont play the game of oh let us take down the clock to a precise level. you have to make sure the game is tied. now if we get to the one or something maybe wait till the play clock is lower before snapping it but you can't say well we dont want to score quick here when you are down.

We basically ran it in from the 20. All I'm saying is that we could have run it in from the 30 and used up a couple more plays.


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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
think about this. what if he missed the fg and les didn't call time out. ball would have been at the 35 with 30 seconds left. enough time for a few passes and shot at delahouysse knocking in a long kick. but without les calling timeout you leave no time for options.


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Beltway Bengal
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
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More than likely the 25 seconds that were left on the clock after the third down play wouldn't have allowed LSU to go score any points, we will never know. It was, however, incredibly stupid. How do you not call a timeout and at least give yourself a slim chance? I'm a Miles supporter and I do not think we are on the decline like most of the board, but that was just dumb. There is no argument on the face of the planet that would make that decision make sense, ESPECIALLY since it was 4th down for Ole Miss and they had no other decision except to kick the field goal.



I am also, at least by the standards of this and other boards, a Miles supporter. But, I agree completely with PandG86.

It is particularly troubling to me that we (apparently) don't have someone on the staff designated to watch and manage this type of clock management issue. Coach Miles has in the past made staff adjustments to address issues; this is, unfortunatley, a recurring issue. It has cost us wins or good chances at wins in the past; it cost us some measure of opportunity Saturday night; I fear it will cost us again.

This is my last "nega Tiger" post for at least several weeks. I'm going to perform the posting equivalent of washing out my mouth with soap now.


MountainTiger
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
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It is particularly troubling to me that we (apparently) don't have someone on the staff designated to watch and manage this type of clock management issue.

Miles said in his Lunch with Les presser today that the coaches were telling him to call the timeout but that he preferred the option of trying to ice the kicker and trying to block the kick.

Q. Late in the game, you talked about the seconds ticking away. Are there other coaches in the headset saying, hey, we need to take a time-out?

COACH MILES: Yeah, we went through the staff pretty much and we talked about the different strategies. It was me that came off the strategy late to call the time out. I said, no, I don't want that, and then I only had six seconds left, so that was -- did I like the idea of the ice? Yes, I did, and I bought into that for some amount of time. The problem with it is you really have him in the position that you want him, he just was blocked. Your football team had just blocked him, so that when I came off of ice as a likelihood, I wish I had all my 20 seconds back. That was the issue.
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tigermoney
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
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The difference is exponential. 20 seconds is 3 pass attempts, a spike, and a field goal attempt. It would make for a long shot, but it would be a shot. It bumps LSU's chances up from .1% to probably around 20%.


do you seriously believe this? seriously? no way you seriously believe this.


heartbreakTiger
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
at least we dont have a staff full of braindead coaches. we just have one brain dead coach vetoing the smart coaches


MC123
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
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Miles said in his Lunch with Les presser today that the coaches were telling him to call the timeout but that he preferred the option of trying to ice the kicker and trying to block the kick.


that idiot doesn't even realize that he fricked up icing the kicker too


Drew Orleans
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
3 is pushing it. They would have to be very very quick out routes...

2 pass plays getting out of bounds then a field goal is more realistic.

Either way, Les s a complete moron for not calling the timeout.


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Drew Orleans
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re: Statisticians: What is the % that calling TO with 20 seconds would've affected
What a complete ass...

They were going to call timeout themselves. My God.

The man is incapable of a coherent thought.


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