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LSU_Cubs
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I'm not sure you are going to get those "damn liberals" you so desire, as the majority of them oppose the ACA as well.

Not everything is an us vs. them thing brah.






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BugAC
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'm not sure you are going to get those "damn liberals" you so desire, as the majority of them oppose the ACA as well.

Not everything is an us vs. them thing brah.


Well where are they? Germandawg, rex, decatur, a want, l'achiffe, etc...

If they agree with this bill then why can't we implement this one and get rid of that abortion?






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BugAC
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bump





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germandawg
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4) Abortions will not be covered for reimbursement, unless it is in the case of rape, life endangerement, etc...
5) Reforms medical malpractice laws. A huge contributor to medical costs.



This is just a boldfaced lie....medical malpractice insurance accounts for .3% of the nations health care costs....

"Medical negligence compensation accounts for only 0.3 percent of national healthcare costs. According to the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, the total amount spent defending medical malpractice claims and compensating victims is $7.1 billion – just 0.3 percent of America’s $2.2 trillion in healthcare spending.


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It does not force anyone to do anything they do not want to do.
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Which means that some people will be free to make the decision to make you and I pay for their health care needs because everytime they go to the doctor and do not pay their bill you and I are forced to make up the difference when we pay our bill. I appreciate the fact that ya'll love freedom but shouldn't we also be free from paying the bills of those who refuse to do so???






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BugAC
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"Medical negligence compensation accounts for only 0.3 percent of national healthcare costs. According to the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, the total amount spent defending medical malpractice claims and compensating victims is $7.1 billion – just 0.3 percent of America’s $2.2 trillion in healthcare spending.


Care to give me a link to this?

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Which means that some people will be free to make the decision to make you and I pay for their health care needs because everytime they go to the doctor and do not pay their bill you and I are forced to make up the difference when we pay our bill.


What in the hell are you talking about? That statement has nothing to do with the act. Why don't you actually read the bill and tell me what parts you don't like?






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BugAC
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accounts for only 0.3 percent of national healthcare costs


Whoops, just found a link that shows your lying.

LINK

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A new study reveals that the cost of medical malpractice in the United States is running at about $55.6 billion a year – $45.6 billion of which is spent on defensive medicine practiced by physicians seeking to stay clear of lawsuits.


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The amount comprises 2.4% of the nation’s total health care expenditure.


2.4% is a big amount in an industry that makes up 16% of our economy.

and another source to show your ignorance in the matter.

LINK



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BugAC
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Glad to see germandog post lies, then refuse to acknowledge them once he gets outed.





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Mahootney
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I read the bill.
Looks like it hits the main points that have plagued the insurance industry. (From a consumer perspective. Obviously, by limiting competition in the past, it has helped insurance company profits.)

You aren't going to get people that want free stuff to agree with a bill that supports personal responsibility without government subsidies.

There will always be some subsidized thing that they like that will encourage them to support "some" of the bill so they can keep their favorite part.
(E.g. Birth control, child insurance age, etc) That's why obamacare is sooo long. They wanted to hit on as many topics as possible so that there was something in there for virtually everyone (except the typical taxpayer or business owner).

It's just really sad that a common sense bill that actually addresses the key issues
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will never get passed
because it doesn't have enough free stuff in it.






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l'affiche
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Any liberal care to come and discuss what they don't like about the bill? Keep in mind i linked the actual bill and quoted some excerpts, so you can't be dishonest. It'll be easy to see if you are.



The biggest problem is that it continues to discriminate against those with pre-existing conditions. It creates a high-risk pool, which is essentially the same as the high-risk pools created by the ACA to be used prior to 2014. The problem is that the people accessing these pool are by definition unhealthy, i.e. expensive. That's why premiums for high risk pools are twice as much as typical insurance.







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CajunAngele
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If someone is not paying close attention they would not know this exists. My Senator now backs this after the switchboard in DC was flooded with calls of people concerned about Obamacare.

But the new talking point for the progs is to say that Obama WON people want Obamacare and stfu.






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BugAC
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The biggest problem is that it continues to discriminate against those with pre-existing conditions. It creates a high-risk pool, which is essentially the same as the high-risk pools created by the ACA to be used prior to 2014. The problem is that the people accessing these pool are by definition unhealthy, i.e. expensive. That's why premiums for high risk pools are twice as much as typical insurance.


What you want to happen, simply cannot happen if you want to be fair to anyone.
IMO, this bill helps with the costs of high risk patients, much more so than our previous system, and in a more reasonable way than Obamacare.

But, the fact is, those that run up more costs in medical care will pay more premiums for insurance. The only way you mitigate that is if you do what Obamacare is doing, and heavily unbalance the use vs. cost ratio. You HAVE to charge the shite out of completely healthy people to pay for the costs of unhealthy people. That, inherently, is wrong. Not all unhealthy people are innocent victims. Many unhealthy people (obesity, diabetes) is brought on by the individuals choices. Therefore, if they spend months out of the year in a hospital, they should be paying more than those that spend zero days in a hospital/year.
Naturally, as we get older, our bodies start to fail, and then our medical costs go up. That is the beauty of HSA's. Put in now, while paying high deductible plans while you are young and healthy, and then, when you need the coverage, you have it set up for you.
This bill addresses those that are already in bad health needing help, much like Obamacare, by setting up monetary allocations. Those funds eventually will be depleted and those with HSA's will not need it. Plus, medicare already covers most of these issues.







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LaBornNRaised
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As someone who hates both sides. This is my common sense observation.

This bill is a better solution for our country. I disagree with some of the language involved with the exchanges (still not fully open) and a patients rights to any services they may need/want but at the end of the day this bill is better suited for the people who are actually paying for it.






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Taxing Authority
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The biggest problem is that it continues to discriminate against those with pre-existing conditions. It creates a high-risk pool
would you put those wiht pre-existing condition in a low risk pool?

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The problem is that the people accessing these pool are by definition unhealthy, i.e. expensive. That's why premiums for high risk pools are twice as much as typical insurance.
No. Their premiums are higher because the odds of a large payout are 100%. They shouldn't (and in actuality aren't) actually getting insurance. They are getting redistributed wealth.






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deltaland
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Why not have the cut off be 12 years old?


Or we could just make it where the parents could choose to keep their children on it however long they want once they reach the adult age of 18.






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austingator
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This bill is characterized by one thing that is clear.

When you start a section, put a sentence that will be agreeable to everyone (like this bill will not infringe in a doctor patient relationship), and then they proceed to list a lot of lawyer jargon that actually does the complete opposite- infringe in that doctor patient relationship.

They do this over and over, and it is done by design. Everything is contradictory so that is open to interpretation. You can put in jail anyone you want. You can keep people in line for fear of incarceration.

This is happens in coding laws. They are obscure by design, so they can put anyone they want in jail, and then control all others by fear. This is happening people.






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BugAC
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1) Bump

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When you start a section, put a sentence that will be agreeable to everyone (like this bill will not infringe in a doctor patient relationship), and then they proceed to list a lot of lawyer jargon that actually does the complete opposite- infringe in that doctor patient relationship.

They do this over and over, and it is done by design. Everything is contradictory so that is open to interpretation. You can put in jail anyone you want. You can keep people in line for fear of incarceration.

This is happens in coding laws. They are obscure by design, so they can put anyone they want in jail, and then control all others by fear. This is happening people.


WTF is this guy talking about?






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BugAC
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Bump for the libs that say there is no plan presented from the right.





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BugAC
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Bump for the libs that say there is no plan presented from the right.


You libs like to espouse in other threads how there is no other plan.

Yet you refuse to debate this plan. Why?






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TigerTattle
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WTF is this guy talking about?
That's a very, very good question.

PS - I like the bill. A lot.

About the 27yo "kids," I could see an option for keeping the kids on your insurance until they are out of school or age 24, whichever comes first, with the owner of the policy paying a higher premium. But I don't think it's necessary. We just bought catastrophic policies for ours.

About the malpractice fix, I'm for anything that will stop the extraneous tests that Docs feel they must order simply to avoid possible malpractice claims.

Thanks for the bump. Had wanted to check this thread out, but forgot.







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BugAC
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Bump for those that say the GOP haven't offered up any plans. This one received bi-partisan support in Congress, FWIW.





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