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son of arlo
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State of Innocence
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re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)

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I believe it is a complete repeal, I'll read into that section a bit more.
Who does it give waivers to? Do you have to vote for it to be exempt from it?


BugAC
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Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
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re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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Who does it give waivers to? Do you have to vote for it to be exempt from it?




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kaleidoscope tiger
Member since Aug 2012
370 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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Considering that all of Obamacare is shoved at us, not just parts, then i believe ALL OF OBAMACARE is bad.


I don't think having free birth control options available to people who pay for health insurance is a bad thing.

i don't think it's bad to give people the option to keep their offspring on their insurance until they are 27.


kingbob
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Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
The more I read about this bill, the more I like it. This is the kind of bill I've been wanting to craft since before the recent Healthcare debate even started.


BugAC
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Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
22097 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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I don't think having free birth control options available to people who pay for health insurance is a bad thing.


Why should i have to pay for someone else's birth control? If you want birth control paid for, either pay for it yourself, or as in this bill, find an insurance company that will cover it. Don't force others to pay for it. And yes, i understand birth control isn't necessarily just for preventing babies. It also helps control hormones.

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i don't think it's bad to give people the option to keep their offspring on their insurance until they are 27.


Are you serious? 27? It's a drain on the economy. Why not pay for the insurance yourself?


BugAC
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
22097 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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The more I read about this bill, the more I like it. This is the kind of bill I've been wanting to craft since before the recent Healthcare debate even started.


Exactly. And anyone who wants bits and pieces of their personal life covered, it does not prevent that. It just doesn't force the taxpayer to pay for it.

If you have a specific need you want covered, then shop around for an insurance company that covers it. There will literally be hundreds competing for your business.
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kaleidoscope tiger
Member since Aug 2012
370 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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Why should i have to pay for someone else's birth control?


How are YOU paying for it if that person pays her own premium every month?

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Are you serious? 27? It's a drain on the economy. Why not pay for the insurance yourself?


How is it a drain on the economy? How many 25 year olds do you know of who have serious health issues? Again, the parents are PAYING for the coverage. It isn't welfare, bro. You seem very confused.


BugAC
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
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re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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How are YOU paying for it if that person pays her own premium every month?


Really? Through Obamacare, i pay a portion of whatever is wrong with you. It's kind of the same with insurance, but it is more localized, and i can opt out of whatever program i want. Obamacare refuses that option.

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How is it a drain on the economy?


See above.

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How many 25 year olds do you know of who have serious health issues?


Then either get your own insurance, or choose not to get insurance.

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Again, the parents are PAYING for the coverage.


Again, under Obamacare we are all paying for the coverage.

Tell me, why can't a 27 year old get health insurance?

Why stop at 27, why not allow the parents to pay for their childs insurance up the age of 35?
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kaleidoscope tiger
Member since Aug 2012
370 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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Really? Through Obamacare, i pay a portion of whatever is wrong with you. It's kind of the same with insurance, but it is more localized, and i can opt out of whatever program i want. Obamacare refuses that option.


Yes, really. Free birth control options are offered through insurance companies to people who pay for policies. That's what we were discussing. Not sure what you're getting out with the opt out thing, but YOU aren't paying for any one else's birth control that is offered through insurance. They pay their own premiums.

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See above.
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That still doesn't answer the question as to how Parents PAYING for their 26 year old's insurance is a drain on the economy.

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Then either get your own insurance, or choose not to get insurance.


Why are you against people having the option to buy coverage for their offspring? I don't get why that's even an issue.

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Tell me, why can't a 27 year old get health insurance?


Lol. What is the unemployment rate these days? And I believe Obamacare forces insurance companies to offer coverage until the person turns 27. So it would be a 26 year old, and often times, people are in grad school at that age(probably because there are so few jobs).


kaleidoscope tiger
Member since Aug 2012
370 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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why not allow the parents to pay for their childs insurance up the age of 35?


I don't see why that should be an issue. If you want to keep your family on your insurance, why not? As long as they're willing to pay for it, why do you even care?


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SpidermanTUba
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The COUNTRY
Member since May 2004
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re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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Tell me, why can't a 27 year old get health insurance?

Why stop at 27, why not allow the parents to pay for their childs insurance up the age of 35?




Why not have the cut off be 12 years old?


doubleb
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
8387 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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don't think having free birth control options available to people who pay for health insurance is a bad thing. i don't think it's bad to give people the option to keep their offspring on their insurance until they are 27.


Good, then you should have the OPTION to pay for it and not make people like myself have it in their policies when we don't want it.


doubleb
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Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
8387 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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Why not have the cut off be 12 years old?


Some people actually had policies to just cover themselves. Isn't that cool. To be able to purchase insurance tailored to yourself and not have to purchase insurance where one size fits all.


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kaleidoscope tiger
Member since Aug 2012
370 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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Good, then you should have the OPTION to pay for it


No one is forcing you to take advantage of the free birth control.

Do you think the annual free well-visit should be removed from insurance policies to? Are you saying you would prefer it if everyone paid for every service they received and paid a premium just so stockholders would get paid?


Dire Wolf
LSU Fan
Sudden Valley
Member since Sep 2008
10767 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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Why not have the cut off be 12 years old?


Come on, this is one of the best and most reasonable threads I have ever seen on this board but you have come in and say stupid shite like this.


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BBONDS25
LSU Fan
Member since Mar 2008
18242 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
Not a fan of freedom to contract?


BugAC
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
22097 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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Yes, really. Free birth control options are offered through insurance companies to people who pay for policies. That's what we were discussing. Not sure what you're getting out with the opt out thing, but YOU aren't paying for any one else's birth control that is offered through insurance. They pay their own premiums.


Birth control is not free. Someone has to pay for it. And under obamacare, it is me and the other taxpayers.

And if an insurance company wants to offer free birth control then by all means sign up with them. Nothing is preventing you from doing that.

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That still doesn't answer the question as to how Parents PAYING for their 26 year old's insurance is a drain on the economy.


Why stop at 27? Why not 30? why not 35? why not 40? There are plenty of 40 year olds without jobs too, are you saying they are less valuable than a 27 year old?

If you want to pay for your kid who is 27, then get on a company that offers that policy.

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What is the unemployment rate these days? And I believe Obamacare forces insurance companies to offer coverage until the person turns 27


And what is one of the top factors inhibiting companies from hiring? Obamacare. Obamacare has created a level of uncertainty in business and so they are not hiring. It is also the reason why people's hours are cut, because businesses can not afford to pay for a part-timers health insurance.
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kaleidoscope tiger
Member since Aug 2012
370 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
is Lochner v. New York still precedent?


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doubleb
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
8387 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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No one is forcing you to take advantage of the free birth control. Do you think the annual free well-visit should be removed from insurance policies to? Are you saying you would prefer it if everyone paid for every service they received and paid a premium just so stockholders would get paid


They are forcing my group plan to cover everyone in the group and to provide birth control coverage, coverage for young adults living at home, etc.

These things were mandated by the govt. and they are costing everyone in the plan money.

The plan was run by trustees which already had been hard pressed to provide coverage deemed critical at a reasonable cost. Having the govt. step in and mandate to the trustees only drove up the cost and put things in the plan no one really wanted.

I think groups like that should have a right to get the insurance that the group wants, not the insurance the govt. tells us we must have.

There is no free well visit. You are paying for it up front. There is no free lunch brother despite what the left tells you.


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BugAC
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
22097 posts

re: The American Health Care Reform Act (the actual bill)
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Are you saying you would prefer it if everyone paid for every service they received and paid a premium just so stockholders would get paid?


What the hell are you talking about? do not parrot lib talking points.

What in the current bill do you not like.


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