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Bunsbert Montcroff
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ook how your body has evolved and how a female's body has. Notice how those two things fit together to carry on the species? That is evolution working. Anything you do with your body is your business but it is not how nature intended as we evolved.

there is some fascinating work being done on the evolutionary "advantages" of homosexuality. you should take a look at it.

and of course it is only exclusive homosexuality that you can decry by invoking the evolutionary argument against homosexuality. you know that homosexuality as a category of identity is a recent invention. and that homosexual behavior historically existed on a continuum of human sexuality.

ancient greek and roman males engaged in homosexual acts with young men for pleasure, and fricked their wives to produce children. so in this case homosexual acts such as sodomy aren't inherently adverse to human procreation and evolution, just like hj's, bj's, etc. and because the category of the homosexual is a social construction (it's a sex act one engages in, not a determining factor in identity) your suggestion that such people are "broken" also sounds a bit weak.






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udtiger
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What part of "love the sinner, hate the sin" do you not get. That's all this is, just presented in a different way.





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constant cough
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New Pope sucks.





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FT
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constant cough swallows.





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Bengalroar
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We all are sinners, "living in sin", he seems to be saying.
No, we aren't. A person who sins is not the same as someone "living in sin."






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FT
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No, we aren't. A person who sins is not the same as someone "living in sin."
I guarantee that if we had a theological debate, I could change your mind, or at least the minds of most of those listening.

Still, I'd rather keep this political, lest it disappear. If you want to give it a shot, let me know. I'll gladly try.






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constant cough
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constant cough swallows.


Are you trying to bait me with a homophobic attack?

What hypocrite you are. lolz






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RollTide1987
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Whoa now. Your definition of mortal sin is off the mark.


No, it is not. In order for a sin to be mortal, 3 conditions must be met:


1. Its subject must be a grave (or serious) matter.

2. It must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense (no one is considered ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are inborn as part of human knowledge, but these principles can be misunderstood in a particular context).

3. It must be committed with deliberate and complete consent, enough for it to have been a personal decision to commit the sin.

Now. What is considered a grave matter? Any violation of any one of the Ten Commandments is a grave sin. So, therefore, every time you say the Lord's name in vain, you are committing a mortal sin.

Pre-marital sex falls under the category of adultery. If consenting adults have sex outside of marriage and end up marrying someone else, that is classified as adultery by the Church. Adultery is a mortal sin.







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IdahoTiger
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I really like this new Pope. I love the fact that he's not stuck on minute details of the church doctrine. I think he realizes the Bible shouldn't be taken literally, and that's a welcome change. Also he's a Chemist, awesome. I'd like to have have a beer with this Pope, I think he "gets it." Being a good person, and not pretending your religion knows everything is the way to go.





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dpd901
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Your right my understanding of the subject matter at have is probably seriously lacking and that is likely what drove me from the embryonic research I used to do. Or maybe, just maybe, it was because there is a shite ton more money in private enterprise.


Living the word of Christ right there!






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Revelator
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I really like this new Pope. I love the fact that he's not stuck on minute details of the church doctrine. I think he realizes the Bible shouldn't be taken literally, and that's a welcome change



Since when did any of the popes take the bible literally? The Catholic Church only uses the verses that suites its purpose and discards the rest.






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IdahoTiger
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Since when did any of the popes take the bible literally? The Catholic Church only uses the verses that suites its purpose and discards the rest.


Better than using all the verses as literal. That's why I like the Catholic Church.






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Paluka
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Since when did any of the popes take the bible literally? The Catholic Church only uses the verses that suites its purpose and discards the rest.


You're better than this Rev. Your statement can be applied to any religious denomination and even to the minister who gives a Sunday morning sermon.






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Revelator
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Better than using all the verses as literal. That's why I like the Catholic Church.



I'm sure you do.






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Revelator
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You're better than this Rev. Your statement can be applied to any religious denomination and even to the minister who gives a Sunday morning sermon.


You would be right about that presently, but there is no denying that the Catholic Church has been notorious for discouraging bible study and instead elevating church doctrine above scripture. I'm just calling it the way it is.






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Paluka
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You would be right about that presently, but there is no denying that the Catholic Church has been notorious for discouraging bible study and instead elevating church doctrine above scripture. I'm just calling it the way it is.


I understand your point. I was raised Catholic and we studied the bible both at home and in school. It was torture for me at the time. Lol. I believe that this Pope will ruffle the feathers of lots of the establishment. I believe that he's all about living and following The Word.






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Overbrook
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This is the best pope we've had since JPII of the 1980s.

As for doctrine over scripture, the doctrine is from their interpretation of scripture. Personally, I think the main precept of Protestantism is flawed and really immoral.



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Bunsbert Montcroff
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You would be right about that presently, but there is no denying that the Catholic Church has been notorious for discouraging bible study and instead elevating church doctrine above scripture. I'm just calling it the way it is.

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I understand your point. I was raised Catholic and we studied the bible both at home and in school. It was torture for me at the time. Lol. I believe that this Pope will ruffle the feathers of lots of the establishment. I believe that he's all about living and following The Word.

his point is absolutely wrong. catholics have historically been able to hear the gospel in mass, which is ideal in any community where literacy is wanting. but of course, protestants tend to idolatrize the Word so what do you expect.

interestingly enough, even luther, who recommended that everyone read the bible for themselves, was scandalized when individuals read the bible and came to different conclusions than he did. and for the record, the doctrine of the catholic church is informed by scripture. the church simply maintains that scripture is not the ONLY form of divine revelation.






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FT
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Are you trying to bait me with a homophobic attack?
I'm above that kind of thing.

I was being juvenile.






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League Champs
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I really like this new Pope. I love the fact that he's not stuck on minute details of the church doctrine. I

This guy is shaping up to be another Aaron of the old testament, you know the priest who presided over the people that built the golden calf while Moses was receiving the law? Yeah that Aaron

Give the people what they want type of guy. Didnt work out very well for him. His hubris caused Miriam to be punished by leprosy, and the people were plagued and 3000 men were slain due to Aarons poor leadership

Not a guy that should ever be in charge. Thats why Joshua was elevated above him

And it may be more than just coincidence that these statements came on the heels of Aarons recognized feast day of Sept 17

If I were Catholic I would run, not walk, to the nearest religion






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