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CarrolltonTiger
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That must be something to behold.


You are correct, it does make it easier to know or learn about your ancestry when your ancestors had a written language, and you don't have to engage in some silly oral tradition for "Roots" myths.






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onmymedicalgrind
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re: Plantations as tourist attractions?


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Yes, African villages that were regularly attacked by neighbor tribes and wild animals was so much better than the Antebellum south. And they were slaves in Africa also, sold off by chieftains of tribes that had overtaken their original tribe.

This is what I mean by ethnocentrism. Its no different than somebody from California not being able to fathom why someone would prefer to live in the deep south if they didn't have to (due to job, school, etc).

And the fact you think Africans are just routinely attacked by wild animals further lends credence to the fact that you are simply talking out your arse at this point.







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onmymedicalgrind
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make sure none of y'all never visit mt. rushmore either.

cracka arse slave owners.



Been there once. Took a massive deuce and clogged up a toilet.

That one was for my ancestors!






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deltaland
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Better than what they came from? If you go back in time and poll the slaves who were first brought to America to become exploited free labor would they rather stay in America as a slave or immediately teleport back to their home country, what do you think the popular answer would be?


They were slaves back in Africa also...their own people sold them off to here, and that was if they didn't kill them first in tribal war.







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RCDfan1950
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Yep - nothing like an ol' Magic Negro to assuage our current hatred and fear of black males.


Speak for yourself, HP. No hate for the Black man from me...more like pity. Going off the character rails makes life a real bitch.

That said...no slack either. Blacks have every bit the same potential for moral character that anybody does. They get no pass from me...only EQUAL expectations and treatment. But them...I'm no closet racist either. I love all people of character; and them who are seeking Truth.

And sad to say, re this "I wonder what exactly constituted good "character" in a man that was property of another man."...if you really can't imagine that a slave could have extraordinary character...then you don't have to worry about anybody commissioning a bronze statue of you. Ohhh boy!

We're making headway. Whatever it takes.







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HortensePowdermaker
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re: Plantations as tourist attractions?


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Yes, African villages that were regularly attacked by neighbor tribes and wild animals was so much better than the Antebellum south. And they were slaves in Africa also, sold off by chieftains of tribes that had overtaken their original tribe.


Yes, some people had it bad. Others had it great and were very happy. You have no idea enough of either to make blanket statements about one location being preferable to the other.

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Then explain why some in their 20s, who never experienced that, act the same way? I'm not saying they are inferior or that it is their genetics, cause I don't believe that, but I'm saying it seems that some seem to think themselves that they are, or that if they try to stand up equal to the white man then they will be beaten down. Which isn't true at all these days


I would guess it's been passed down in the culture and takes awhile to die out.






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FT
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They were slaves back in Africa also...their own people sold them off to here, and that was if they didn't kill them first in tribal war.
Let's assume that every slave ever taken by a white man was originally the slave of a black man.

Does that make the second slave owner somehow morally superior? If you were a slave, would you rather die than be a slave? You know that if this weren't a set up question, you'd say that you'd rather die.






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HortensePowdermaker
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And sad to say, re this "I wonder what exactly constituted good "character" in a man that was property of another man."...if you really can't imagine that a slave could have extraordinary character...then you don't have to worry about anybody commissioning a bronze statue of you. Ohhh boy!


Stop being silly. Stop seeing things only through the lens of the slaveholder.






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deltaland
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Original documents stating what a kindly owner of other human beings he was? That must be something to behold.


Our family genealogy book has the documents, testimony, and research to back up every claim made about every person and their personality, accomplishments, and problems. It is actually pretty cool to have...family spent years working on it doing research. It has old pictures, paintings and everything






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onmymedicalgrind
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They were slaves back in Africa also...their own people sold them off to here, and that was if they didn't kill them first in tribal war.

The way you describe it, I'm not sure why the slaves didn't have to fight each other to decide who got a "seat" on those wonderful slave ships! Surely they didn't have to be bought, but instead paid the slave owners to pick them!

Anyways, like I said, you are the Californian arguing that no rational person would prefer to live in the deep south over SoCal.






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PrimeTime Money
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Yep.





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fleaux
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Honestly im not sure why anyone would want to call themselves African American when the African side sold them in the first place and the American side enslaved them





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deltaland
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If you're black and in your twenties, your parents were most likely born into segregation.


True, but what actions in the modern era give them a legit reason to show any sort of fear of white people?

Maybe it is only where I live, but I see all the time black workers who are scared to enter the yard or house of the farm owner, or speak to his wife. I mean absolutely terrified, like the rules of the antebellum south still apply.

They do it on our farm...numerous times I've asked them to leave a farm truck or something in my driveway and they won't drive up it. They'll leave it at the end of the driveway

I asked them why one day and the guy said "man I figured you wouldn't want me in your yard". I was wtf I don't care






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deltaland
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And the fact you think Africans are just routinely attacked by wild animals


I've read before tribal villages have problems with lion attacks or something like that






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FT
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True, but what actions in the modern era give them a legit reason to show any sort of fear of white people?

Maybe it is only where I live, but I see all the time black workers who are scared to enter the yard or house of the farm owner, or speak to his wife. I mean absolutely terrified, like the rules of the antebellum south still apply.

They do it on our farm...numerous times I've asked them to leave a farm truck or something in my driveway and they won't drive up it. They'll leave it at the end of the driveway

I asked them why one day and the guy said "man I figured you wouldn't want me in your yard". I was wtf I don't care



I don't know what any of this means. Are you arguing that blacks are naturally afraid of whites?






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Squid
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My family background is mostly Scotch-Irish. Nobody had enough money to own anybody else in the 1800s. I'm of cracker ancestry. So no, I'm not going to feel guilty.

Plus, as someone already pointed out, plantation slavery was bad. However, you can hardly equate it to planned mass genocide.






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onmymedicalgrind
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Honestly im not sure why anyone would want to call themselves African American when the African side sold them in the first place and the American side enslaved them

What do you propose then ?







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fleaux
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Onmymedicalgrind thats a great question......





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onmymedicalgrind
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I've read before tribal villages have problems with lion attacks or something like that

Ehh, maybe the fat ones or the ones with Down's Syndrome or something. But I doubt those would be the same ones selected to be slaves






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deltaland
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Does that make the second slave owner somehow morally superior?


No. I wasn't justifying slavery. You missed the point that in the eyes of the slave at the time, he was probably living better than before in most cases, and also in a strange, unknown rural land. Where, in that case, would you realistically go?

It's not like back then you could call a cab and go on your merry way. The nearest town could be 30 miles away, nearest free state hundreds of unknown miles, and you with nothing but your feet and clothes on your back.

And no, I seriously would rather be a slave than die. Life is always better than death, and you can always hold hope that one day you'll be free.






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