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RCDfan1950
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People love those Plantations...period. I've had black folk buy my renderings of them; kinda confused me...but then...they were smart folk.

The only thing that made the American slavery so damn "horrific" is because the Founders had such a unique and extraordinary moral vision of Individual Freedom which put them ahead of any historical equal...and also made em a target for National hypocrisy. Fact is...they got the ball rolling.

Slaves were a valuable commodity; I expect that there was less carnage in the black youth community back in slave days than it is now. Even, and if so...it wasn't the slaves' fault, no dishonor...back then. Freedom is no better or worse than what one does with it.

Mr. Steele Burden put a ten foot bronze of a bowing negro slave on the grounds of the BR Rural Life Museum; and the PC yahoo's threw a hissy fit. Mr. Steele told me the story behind the negro slave.

His owner was so IMPRESSED by the slave's CHARACTER...that he sent to Italy for a sculptor to immortalize the lowly slave. Artist did a hell of a job; I near tear up every time I pass that statue.

Point being... don't let your mind run away will all the hype...the owner virtually worshiped the slave (his character). I would have loved to have met the man myself; damn sure could use some pushing humility over ego and status right now.

But I'm sure that 'rebels' were dealt with unmercifully; as least by unmerciful slave owners.

All said...I too feel uncomfortable in those plantations...but I prefer humble accommodations anyway. Wife would be bitchin about wiping my feet or sittin on the couch, forever, in those digs.







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HortensePowdermaker
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Perhaps.


Full stop. There is no "perhaps" about it. An atmosphere - both legal and otherwise - saturated with the menace of violence was THE pre-requisite for perpetuating the institution. Re-read that until you understand it as a matter of course.

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if you were brought to a strange country, and placed on a rural plantation and given a home to live, clothes, and 3 meals a day (which, really was better than what they came from. Not justifying slavery, just putting the situation in perspective),


You have no idea if it was better or not. And your preposterous statements would only be marginally admissible as not idiotic if applied merely to the 1st generation.

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ON top of having to cross other plantations where you could be captured and brought back.


No violence, huh?

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Some seem to possess an odd servant attitude and fear of white men. This isn't nationwide but more of the deep South region..especially in the MS delta.


Gee, do you think that might be because the Jim Crow South heaped violence and exclusion on them for a HUNDRED YEARS after the Civil War?







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HortensePowdermaker
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there is no butthurt. anyone who won't go to a plantation because they "feel weird" is a blathering moron. that's all.


Did the OP say he wouldn't go?






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HortensePowdermaker






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deltaland
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Destrehan plantation is the best house I've ever visited. It has the coolest history out of all the Louisiana plantation houses.



Mine too, but that is because my 3x Great Grandfather is on the brochure, he was married to Zelia Destrehan.






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onmymedicalgrind
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if you were brought to a strange country, and placed on a rural plantation and given a home to live, clothes, and 3 meals a day (which, really was better than what they came from.



Better than what they came from? If you go back in time and poll the slaves who were first brought to America to become exploited free labor would they rather stay in America as a slave or immediately teleport back to their home country, what do you think the popular answer would be? Your post wreaks of ethnocentrism.

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I'll walk in a gas station full of black people, and while they'll confront each other with typical ghetto slang and what not, to me they'll look at the ground, and I'll get a "how you doing, sir" or something like that. Baffles my mind

Umm there is nothing baffling about this. I interact and talk with my good friends from back home alot differently than i would my professor, boss, random person, etc etc.

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f a white guy screws up and you jump on his ass, he'll stand up and argue back if he thinks he is right, or explain why something went wrong. When you do the same to a black employee, they hang their head and just say "yes sir" no matter what and walk off.

My experience has been the opposite of this (and not in a good way, I've seen too many angry black people go off on a boss or manager for the smallest things )






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deltaland
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I think it's wonderful that this hagiography of your slave-holding GGGrandpappy has been passed down to you in order for you to continue the delusion.


I have a family genealogy book of all my descendants all the way back to Scotland in the 1600s, with copies of original documents stating as such. I have the copy of his will actually, and where it states he released his slaves.






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HortensePowdermaker
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Fact is...they got the ball rolling.


America is what got the ball rolling on the English abolishing slavery throughout the empire decades in advance of our grudging national abolition?

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I expect that there was less carnage in the black youth community back in slave days than it is now.


Say what?

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Mr. Steele Burden put a ten foot bronze of a bowing negro slave on the grounds of the BR Rural Life Museum; and the PC yahoo's threw a hissy fit. Mr. Steele told me the story behind the negro slave.

His owner was so IMPRESSED by the slave's CHARACTER...that he sent to Italy for a sculptor to immortalize the lowly slave. Artist did a hell of a job; I near tear up every time I pass that statue.


I wonder what exactly constituted good "character" in a man that was property of another man. What a heartwarming tale Mr. Steele Burden has provided us all with.

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Point being... don't let your mind run away will all the hype...the owner virtually worshiped the slave (his character). I would have loved to have met the man myself; damn sure could use some pushing humility over ego and status right now.


Yep - nothing like an ol' Magic Negro to assuage our current hatred and fear of black males.







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onmymedicalgrind
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The only thing that made the American slavery so damn "horrific"

I like the quotes you used. Yeah you're right, slavery wasn't all that "horrific."






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deltaland
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Delta you sound like a good man to work for


I actually am...I've never had a person quit because he was unhappy with how they were treated or for being worked too hard. I've been told numerous times me and my father are some of the nicest men they've worked for.






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I have a family genealogy book of all my descendants all the way back to Scotland in the 1600s
Zaphod? Is that you?

(If you get that reference, you're immediately an awesome poster)






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HortensePowdermaker
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I have a family genealogy book of all my descendants all the way back to Scotland in the 1600s, with copies of original documents stating as such. I have the copy of his will actually, and where it states he released his slaves.


Original documents stating what a kindly owner of other human beings he was? That must be something to behold.






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Since you brought up fear of black males, they do murder more people per capita than anyone else, right???





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the copy of his will actually, and where it states he released his slaves.
Death row inmates confess to crimes. That's far less of a sacrifice than giving up "property" when one dies.






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HortensePowdermaker
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Since you brought up fear of black males, they do murder more people per capita than anyone else, right???


Sure.






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Since you brought up fear of black males, they do murder more people per capita than anyone else, right???


True, next question please...






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onmymedicalgrind
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Since you brought up fear of black males, they do murder more people per capita than anyone else, right???


Yea they do.

See I can acknowledge a fact without getting defensive or butthurt. Why can't some of you do the same when it comes to what happened on alot of these plantations?






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deltaland
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You have no idea if it was better or not.


Yes, African villages that were regularly attacked by neighbor tribes and wild animals was so much better than the Antebellum south. And they were slaves in Africa also, sold off by chieftains of tribes that had overtaken their original tribe.

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Gee, do you think that might be because the Jim Crow South heaped violence and exclusion on them for a HUNDRED YEARS after the Civil War?


Then explain why some in their 20s, who never experienced that, act the same way? I'm not saying they are inferior or that it is their genetics, cause I don't believe that, but I'm saying it seems that some seem to think themselves that they are, or that if they try to stand up equal to the white man then they will be beaten down. Which isn't true at all these days






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Tiguar
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make sure none of y'all never visit mt. rushmore either.

cracka arse slave owners.






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FT
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Then explain why some in their 20s, who never experienced that, act the same way? I'm not saying they are inferior or that it is their genetics, cause I don't believe that, but I'm saying it seems that some seem to think themselves that they are, or that if they try to stand up equal to the white man then they will be beaten down. Which isn't true at all these days



If you're black and in your twenties, your parents were most likely born into segregation.






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