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Dachau


Awesome.

Feel free to visit a plantation and flagellate yourself to your hearts content.






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onmymedicalgrind
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Because the point the OP is trying to make is the quintessential example of white guilt, whether he says it isn't or not.

How so? To simply acknowledge or point out that "at this plantation X amount of blacks were enslaved and Y amount lost their lives during this time etc etc" instead of focusing on the European style curtains while giving a tour of the plantation is a "quintessential example of white guilt?"

Its simply calling a spade a spade. No one is saying you have to be guilty about it.






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baybeefeetz
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I wouldn't get married in a plantation. I wouldn't want the subject of slavery anywhere near my wedding.





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fleaux
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You said "spade"...... Racist





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RealityTiger
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How so?
If I have to explain it to you, it's not even worth the waste of time. Sorry, not going to hold your hand and walk you through the logic. Especially when I think you're being dense on purpose in the first place.






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onmymedicalgrind
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If I have to explain it to you, it's not even worth the waste of time. Sorry, not going to hold your hand and walk you through the logic.

IOW, you can't. I explained why I don't see this being white guilt, yet you can't do the opposite. Maybe message boards aren't for you then
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Especially when I think you're being dense on purpose in the first place.

Not at all. Why should we ignore factual parts of a plantation's past while giving tours of said plantation? And I don't see at all how mentioning the things that undoubtedly took place at some of these plantations is tantamount to "white guilt."

No one is telling you are any other white person to feel guilty about this. But you are telling me to purposely ignore facts because it makes you feel uncomfortable






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LongueCarabine
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When you get right down to the crux of the matter, these are private businesses, and they are filling a niche in a market.

Dwelling on distasteful things is not going to get you a lot of business.

LC






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onmymedicalgrind
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When you get right down to the crux of the matter, these are private businesses, and they are filling a niche in a market.

Dwelling on distasteful things is not going to get you a lot of business.


Best post in this thread, and a very sound point

I buy this reasoning way more than the "white guilt" angle others have proposed.






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RealityTiger
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You're being dense on purpose again. That's 2 for 2.






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onmymedicalgrind
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You're being dense on purpose again. That's 2 for 2.

And you still haven't defended your claim that simply mentioning an indisputable truth = "white guilt." You're 0 for 2.






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Burt Reynolds
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Destrehan plantation is the best house I've ever visited. It has the coolest history out of all the Louisiana plantation houses.





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PrimeTime Money
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My great great great grandfather was owner of the Destrehan Plantation in new orleans
Interesting. I have a great great great great great grandfather who had an interesting, and pretty racist past.

My great great great great grandfather was from St. Martinville. Jefferson Davis promoted him to Colonel in the Confederate Army, and he fought at Gettysburg and lost his arm. He was appointed to negotiate the surrender of Confederate troops in Louisiana.

In 1867, he organized the "Caucasian Club" that pledged to restore white control to the government and to support the supremacy of the White race when the Republican governor of Louisiana sought to give voting rights to blacks.

Then, he founded the Knights of the White Camellia, which was basically an upper-class version of the KKK. It stretched from Texas to the Carolinas. The Knights were more numerous than the KKK, and their activities more clandestine, and their members were lawyers, physicians, newspaper editors, law enforcement, etc. Their aim was to reduce the influence of blacks in politics and prevent racial integration. They used terrorism and intimidation. He also used to organize slave patrols and vigilance committees before the Civil War.


Now... listen to this shite...


In an effort to discourage blacks from voting, he and his Knights of the White Camellia ran black families out of town by persuading planters not to employ blacks.

He organized and commanded an army of 600 men to resist the "usurping" government and convinced many whites in Louisiana to refuse to pay taxes. Governor Kellogg then sent Republican police in New Orleans to St. Martinville, and then U.S. troops to dislodge my ggggg grandfather, but whites refused to shelter or transport troops, and the army was able to hold them off.

Some of the police were killed in skirmishes.

He eventually surrendered months later to U.S. Marshals. He was arrested and brought to New Orleans aboard the Lucretia where he was held prisoner.

Then a crowd of 7,000 people showed up for the "hero of great popular demonstration", and he was quickly "requited of charges with bail".

Then the crowd followed his carriage through the streets of New Orleans in celebration.

Two years later, he was appointed to the Supreme Court of Louisiana...




Can anybody top the racistness of my family history?



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deltaland
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why TF not do it sooner than that?


Well there was profit to be made



You have to consider, at the time if you were a landowner slavery was necessary due to it's acceptance, even if you didn't agree with it. There was no technology and large amounts of labor were required to work the fields, had he paid them to do it, his would have lost his profit margins. Sad, but just a fact of business at the time.






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HortensePowdermaker
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Actually a small portion of slaveowners treated their slaves harshly. My 3x Great Grandfather was known for treating his very well.. They were treated like family by him and he only owned them because it was widely accepted and had he paid workers then there would be no profit. He freed all of them in his Will when he died.




I think it's wonderful that this hagiography of your slave-holding GGGrandpappy has been passed down to you in order for you to continue the delusion.






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fleaux
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And Hortense is here to tell us what really happened





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CarrolltonTiger
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Alcibidies de Blanc,





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deltaland
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perhaps but like I said, nobody remains enslaved without the threat of violence.


Perhaps. But think of the scenario at the time, if you were brought to a strange country, and placed on a rural plantation and given a home to live, clothes, and 3 meals a day (which, really was better than what they came from. Not justifying slavery, just putting the situation in perspective), then what would you do? Unless you were mercilessly beaten, you would likely have little desire to walk away from your safety net of food and shelter into the wilderness, not knowing where to go and owning no horse, gun, or other supplies. ON top of having to cross other plantations where you could be captured and brought back.

Most of them had little concept of freedom, and accepted at the time that they were servants and that's how things were.

Fast forward to today, and I know this may sound bad but it's true, and a large portion of black people in the south are still this way. They expect to be given a food, shelter and clothing safety net (they just don't work for it anymore). Some seem to possess an odd servant attitude and fear of white men. This isn't nationwide but more of the deep South region..especially in the MS delta. You don't see them protesting on race issues like in big cities, there were no "justice for Trayvon" protests here. (or acts of violence).

I'll walk in a gas station full of black people, and while they'll confront each other with typical ghetto slang and what not, to me they'll look at the ground, and I'll get a "how you doing, sir" or something like that. Baffles my mind


I noticed amongst our farm employees a big difference in attitude towards the boss between black and white employees. If a white guy screws up and you jump on his ass, he'll stand up and argue back if he thinks he is right, or explain why something went wrong. When you do the same to a black employee, they hang their head and just say "yes sir" no matter what and walk off. It is quite weird to me as I treat them all equally






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fleaux
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Delta you sound like a good man to work for





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HortensePowdermaker
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Does anyone feel a little weird about visiting Nottaway and all the other plantations around? The presentations at these places tend to celebrate the lifestyle and grandeur of the people who lived there while mostly ignoring the horrific crimes against humanity that were committed there.

Why not present these places as solemn memorials as well as monuments to the glories of the time?

I mean, you can visit Dachau as a tourist and learn alot about history.

Seems creepy to me to walk around a beautiful place like San Francisco Plantation without really taking it seriously. These should be solemn places for learning and reflection.


I know what you mean. Notice the extreme and immediate butthurt shown in the responses to your questions. It has nothing to do with "white guilt". It has everything to do with history. Most Americans would rather live in a state of giddy delusion - pretending we are better than we are and have a better history than we do is pretty much our national pasttime.






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Tiguar
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there is no butthurt. anyone who won't go to a plantation because they "feel weird" is a blathering moron. that's all.


if you disagree, you are wrong.

I am right and you cannot disagree with me.

am I poliboarding right?






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