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I B Freeman
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The only difference between you and the priest (assuming you are not a priest) is apostolic succession.


So through my own prayers this miracle can occur and I should not worry as a non Catholic about going forward to reach the body and the blood when worshipping in a Catholic Church?

If that is a teaching I will be very happy. I started to convert a few years back but I could not come to grips with some sinful man selected by the Church having to be present for the miracle to occur and him having the power to deny me the body and the blood.






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Mickey Goldmill
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No way. You know this but I will repeat it; homosexuality is not sinful. However acting out on homosexuality is sinful, i.e., have sex out of marriage. But that goes for everyone, not just homosexuals.



So gays can only have sex after some random judge or state legislature says its okay? Elected officials now effectively decide whats a sin and what isnt?






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GumboPot
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Why is it that only through the prayers of these people can the bread and the wine become the body and the blood??


Apostolic succession.

At the Last Supper Jesus told His apostles (notice he did not tell anyone else) to "do this in memory of me".

So there ya go.






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Mickey Goldmill
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But he did not betray Him until after the Last Supper. He had a chance to change his mind.



Thoughts can be sinful, not just acts.






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GumboPot
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So through my own prayers this miracle can occur


No.

Unless you have been ordained though apostolic succession.






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Powerman
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No.

Unless you have been ordained though apostolic succession.


So God doesn't answer prayers unless you're a priest?







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GumboPot
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So gays can only have sex after some random judge or state legislature says its okay? Elected officials now effectively decide whats a sin and what isnt?



Gays can have sex anytime they want.






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GumboPot
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So God doesn't answer prayers unless you're a priest?


We are talking about confecting the Eucharist.






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I B Freeman
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No.

Unless you have been ordained though apostolic succession.


This like many teachings of the Church (assumption of Mary, ect.) is something some Pope decided somewhere along the line.

Isn't ironic that today there is Pope that says you do not even have to believe in God to get to heaven yet the Church clings to this apostolic succession?

A history ignoring some scripture and literal adherence to others seems to be common across all dominations.






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Mickey Goldmill
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Gays can have sex anytime they want.



Without it being a sin...






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Matrixman
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Only in the way that orthodoxy has been pushed over the past few decades by some, and in their zeal, to the detriment of the message of the gospels.


"Orthodoxy has been pushed over the past few decades" What? So what's wrong with orthodoxy? What is orthodox about condemning the brutal murder [abortion] of late term babies? Ever hear of an abortionist named Kermit Gosnell? Have you read transcripts of the testimony of folks who worked in his abortion clinic? I mean this is stuff we thought only happened in Nazi Extermination Camps.

What is orthodox about condemning the widespread acceptance of homosexual marriage? A man has a penis......a woman has a vagina. Viva la difference.

Contraception? Seems to me Paul Paul VI [ever hear of him?] was correct in his assertion [humanae Vitae] that contraception was the 'slipery slope' that would eventually lead to genocide [abortion]. Well we're past abortion.....we've moved on to infanticde. And if your pal obama has his way, we'll soon be witnessing the extermination of the elderly, severely handicapped, and then eventualy we can assume he'll get around to exterminating political opponents. You DO know tyrants do those kinds of things.....do you? By the way, you DO know there are provisions in obamacare for Death Panels......do you? But I digress.

Orthodoxy simply means adherence to established truths, taught by Jesus Christ and proclaimed by his Church throughout millenia. Truth is not fluid. But I understand that you moral relativist insist on making your own rules and engaging in situational ethics. I can see where you would be opposed to orthodoxy.

Have a Great Day!!







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Zephyrius
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What is orthodox about condemning the widespread acceptance of homosexual marriage? A man has a penis......a woman has a vagina. Viva la difference.


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Contraception? Seems to me Paul Paul VI [ever hear of him?] was correct in his assertion [humanae Vitae] that contraception was the 'slipery slope' that would eventually lead to genocide [abortion]. Well we're past abortion.....we've moved on to infanticde.


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Orthodoxy simply means adherence to established truths, taught by Jesus Christ and proclaimed by his Church throughout millenia. Truth is not fluid. But I understand that you moral relativist insist on making your own rules and engaging in situational ethics. I can see where you would be opposed to orthodoxy.

Have a Great Day!!







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NC_Tigah
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Pope Francis said the church has the right to express its opinions but not to "interfere spiritually" in the lives of gays and lesbians






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a want
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odoxy simply means adherence to established truths, taught by Jesus Christ and proclaimed by his Church throughout millenia. Truth is not fluid. But I understand that you moral relativist insist on making your own rules and engaging in situational ethics.

Holy Lord.

Your definition of "truth" is others definition of mythology. But you, of course, have a monopoly on truth....based on a 2000 year old collection of stories and letters that frequently used metaphor to explain the world as they knew it at the time - and that were originally passed by oral tradition. But yeah: you know "the truth"








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GumboPot
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This like many teachings of the Church (assumption of Mary, ect.) is something some Pope decided somewhere along the line.


For the bible only people see Mathias in Acts for an example of apostolic succession. Beyond that apostolic succession is solidified in Sacred Tradition from the time of Jesus. I don't know what else to tell you. You can either believe all the evidence around you and become Catholic or stay Catholic or reject it and not believe.

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Isn't ironic that today there is Pope that says you do not even have to believe in God to get to heaven yet the Church clings to this apostolic succession?


All the pope is saying is that if a person has little to no knowledge of Jesus or salvation history and if they follow their conscience they to can make it to heaven. I don't see the irony between this and the doctrine of apostolic succession.

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A history ignoring some scripture and literal adherence to others seems to be common across all dominations.


In the Catholic faith in order for something to become doctrine or dogma (or even a discipline) it has to jive with Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and Church teachings. For example the pope cannot a proclaim a newly revealed teaching if it first does not jive with scripture an Tradition (capital "T" tradition).

This is why bible only denominations have difficulty standing up theologically. Most only have the 16th century version of the bible and lack the depth in history and teachings from the time of Jesus.

To practically describe this I like to use this analogy:

You have two groups of boys. 22 in each group. All are seniors in high school. Group one has been playing football since little league. Group 2 has never thrown the ball or seen football being played.

You hand both groups the NFL rule book (the bible) and tell them to play the game.

Which group do you think will play the game true to NFL standards?

It obvious that group 1 will. They will because they have received the coaching (Church teachings) and they have the experience (Sacred Tradition).






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GumboPot
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Without it being a sin...



It's a sin for most Christians and all Catholics.






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MetArl15
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It's no different than a man and a woman engaging in premarital sex
I suppose I'm hell bound then, because I refuse to ask forgiveness for this.






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Mickey Goldmill
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It's a sin for most Christians and all Catholics.



No, you said its a sin because its sex outside of marriage. Did you not?






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LSUGrrrl
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quote: "The church has sometimes locked itself up in small things," the pope said, "in small-minded rules."


If the Catholic Church addresses this, I will return.






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I B Freeman
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Beyond that apostolic succession is solidified in Sacred Tradition from the time of Jesus. I don't know what else to tell you.


I didn't expect you to agree with me.

It is interesting the Anglicans believe in apostolic succession yet will not deny you the Eucharist and leave the decision as to whether or not transubstantiation occurs up to the receiving member. Every member of that Church has received the laying of hands since Peter. The Catholics are so sure that if you have not gone through the dog and pony show to join the Church and have not in effect sworn your allegiance to the Pope and Bishops you can not receive the body and blood of Christ. It doesn't matter the moral behavior of said bishops and Popes. Some might call that rather arrogant. (I gave up completely on converting after hearing one fortunate man proclaimed to be from apostolic succession delivery a homily saying the Eucharist was essential to salvation. So it stands to reason if his teachings are true the Church is holding complete access to your salvation hostage to your worldly acquiescence to this group of men who are priest, bishops and Popes.) I digress.



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All the pope is saying is that if a person has little to no knowledge of Jesus or salvation history and if they follow their conscience they to can make it to heaven. I don't see the irony between this and the doctrine of apostolic succession.


No it looks to me like he is saying even if you elect to be an atheist all you need to do is follow your on conscience to get to heaven. This is not scriptural at all. So as you reach to justify apostolic succession and the powers that come with it you ignore
the out and out teachings of Christ on salvation.

Doesn't matter to me but Catholics should see why people question what they teach.






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