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The guy you're debating with seems sure you are.


My mistake. I thought he said so in a different thread.

I will definitely stop using personal pronouns.

Since he keeps coming back with "your saying it is because it is not for babies" its wrong so hetero couples should frick yadda yadda I am exiting anyway.

The whole "part a was made for slot b" thing seems to be confusing for him.







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Is he suggesting that gay and lesbians should be able to take communion even while "living in sin"? That actually would be a serious shift.


No way. You know this but I will repeat it; homosexuality is not sinful. However acting out on homosexuality is sinful, i.e., have sex out of marriage. But that goes for everyone, not just homosexuals.






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your understanding of evolution, mutations, and natural selection are lacking.



Blame it on the professors and faculty that bestowed my B.S. in Zoology on me back in the day. Or my M.S. in reproductive physiology - they must have just passed me to get me out of their classes and my thesis board must have been napping.

There is not enough time here to go through it all but yes there are situations where animals exhibit some actions that are homosexual in appearance (usually for dominance) but cross species examples are not accurate for proof of anything.

Otherwise we could break out the hammerhead sharks that have reproduce somehow in captivity without ever being exposed to a male and say "hey you don't even need sexual intercourse to reproduce". (Chapman et al 2008)

Your right my understanding of the subject matter at have is probably seriously lacking and that is likely what drove me from the embryonic research I used to do. Or maybe, just maybe, it was because there is a shite ton more money in private enterprise.




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Is he suggesting that gay and lesbians should be able to take communion even while "living in sin"?


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No way


Jesus gave his symbolic body and blood to Judas hours before he would betray Jesus. Would Jesus have denied Judas if he had sex with Peter the night before? Would that have been the last straw and gotten him denied the sacrament?






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Not that I'm catholic but ill say this regarding any denomination of Christianity: if he is advocating allowing homosexuals to attend services and church events as single people (not sure how you get around a gay couple going to church together or if you should want to) participating in the congregation or getting baptized (sinful people are baptized every day, I was one of them) I have absolutely no problem with what he is saying.

However, if he at any point suggests that churches should allow gay marriage in their church I disagree wholeheartedly, I would say the same if he suggested churches should allow people to come to their services drunk



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Jesus gave his symbolic body and blood to Judas hours before he would betray Jesus. Would Jesus have denied Judas if he had sex with Peter the night before?


Under normal circumstances, yes.

ETA: it's not symbolic BTW.




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Wow: significant shift, no?


No. As already pointed out, the modern church does not judge spiritually and attempt to force social change relative to any behavior that conflicts with Biblical teachings. All the Pope is saying is this also applies to homosexuality; the church is not trying to cure/purge homosexuals of their sins. Knock and the door will be opened but you have to knock and walk through the door; no one is pushing you through the door.






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Blame it on the professors and faculty that bestowed my B.S. in Zoology on me back in the day. Or my M.S. in reproductive physiology - they must have just passed me to get me out of their classes and my thesis board must have been napping.

There is not enough time here to go through it all but yes there are situations where animals exhibit some actions that are homosexual in appearance (usually for dominance) but cross species examples are not accurate for proof of anything.

Otherwise we could break out the hammerhead sharks that have reproduce somehow in captivity without ever being exposed to a male and say "hey you don't even need sexual intercourse to reproduce". (Chapman et al 2008)

Your right my understanding of the subject matter at have is probably seriously lacking and that is likely what drove me from the embryonic research I used to do. Or maybe, just maybe, it was because there is a shite ton more money in private enterprise.




my favorite part about this is how you don't dispute my mutation and natural selection explanation for gay being natural.






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my favorite part about this is how you don't dispute my mutation and natural selection explanation for gay being natural.


Just because something is "natural" does not always make it morally right. Lions killing their cubs to induce their mother into heat because he wants some more pussy is natural, but not not necessarily morally right especially if this situation is used as an analogue for human behavior.






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oklahogjr
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Just because something is "natural" does not always make it morally right. Lions killing their cubs to induce their mother into heat because he wants some more pussy is natural, but not not necessarily morally right especially if this situation is used as an analogue for human behavior.


agreed but I don't see any moral harm in it what so ever. If someone would like to have that discussion i'm here for it. The natural of homosexual behavior is pretty hard to argue against at this point.






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Under normal circumstances, yes.


personally betraying Jesus = ok.

Homosexuals...not ok?

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it's not symbolic


Yes it is. Jesus wasn't a pagan that wanted his followers eating his flesh.






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The whole "part a was made for slot b" thing seems to be confusing for him.


Then why does my girlfriend put my dick in her mouth?

Had a few chicks who like it in the back door too. The last one before this one, she could almost cum just by me saying I was gonna stick it in her arse when I had her all worked up.



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a lot of full retard in this thread





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personally betraying Jesus = ok.

Homosexuals...not ok?


Jesus knowing that his disciples sitting at the table were NOT filled with grace (not repentant of their sins)would have denied his body and blood.

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Yes it is. Jesus wasn't a pagan that wanted his followers eating his flesh.



I don't know what part of "this is my body" is so difficult to understand. There are multiple examples in sacred scripture where Jesus says "this is my body", "this is my blood". In fact there is an entire argument with the Jews in John where he is being accused of being a cannibal and Jesus remained emphatic that this was the "body and blood" of Himself. Furthermore, Sacred Tradition from the apostles (read Paul in Corinthians) to today and in-between, it has always been the literal body and blood of Jesus. You either believe the Eucharistic miracle occurs, or you don't.






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Pope = a mere man.

God = If you don't turn from your sins you are bound for hell.
CASE CLOSED






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oklahogjr
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Pope = a mere man.

God = If you don't turn from your sins you are bound for hell.
CASE CLOSED

so now you and god are on better terms than god and the pope?






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TK421
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Jesus knowing that his disciples sitting at the table were NOT filled with grace


Jesus knew one of his disciples was going to betray him later that night.

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I don't know what part of "this is my body" is so difficult to understand


Neither do I, Jesus was merely pointing out that he, as part of God, was also a part of everything in this world. Does the wine taste like blood? No, because it's wine.

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Sacred Tradition from the apostles (read Paul in Corinthians) to today and in-between, it has always been the literal body and blood of Jesus.


Completely false






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S.E.C. Crazy
Oh, good. You made it.






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TK421
I find myself agreeing with you quite a bit, but not on this one. Why not just ask us to throw his symbolic body on the ground?






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I like The Pope a LOT. Seems like an exceedingly good human being. Maybe even the right Man for the moment. But then I'm a "cultural Catholic" at best. I leave the intercine warfare to the theologists and true believers.





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