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Quentin Compson
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...

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Another lie.
It's all he does. The worst thing of all is that he lives in one of the few states where a single vote is actually important (VA).


Paluka
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
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Posted by Rex BC-BS rates are not the be-all and end-all of the Obamacare issue.


Translation: "I don't care about facts or the level of lying and manipulation that my savior engaged in to get me what I wanted. I'm here to say F-U."


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Quentin Compson
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
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Rex
Were your parents democrats, too?


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Rex
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It's all he does.

My summation is straight from the wording of the recent report by the Health Research Institute referenced in at least a couple of my linked articles. It's you who lies.


LSURussian
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
How disappointed in you is your dad?


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kingbob
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
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Wrong. The court sided with the government that the object of the bill is not for raising revenue, and thus the origination clause doesn't apply... i.e. dismissed on merit.


So you're saying that you don't have a problem with the U.S. judicial system simultaneously ruling that a law is a tax, but that revenue raising (the purpose of a tax) is not the object of the bill? If the object of the bill was not to raise revenue, then it would not be (by the government's own definition) a tax.

I understand if you are giving me that purely to support the government's fallacious argument. Are you REALLY ok with that? Are you not for government transparency and having a government that answers to you? Do you not constantly demand intellectual honesty of the posters on this board? If you desire intellectual honesty from posters on an LSU message board, why wouldn't you demand the same of your leaders in Washington?


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Paluka
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
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Posted by kingbob


It's like I said, he's only interested in his position. He came here to appear smug and self-righteous. He's not interested in intellectual honesty.


kingbob
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
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He's not interested in intellectual honesty.


Judging by his OP, this whole thread was less about healthcare and more about questioning the intellectual honesty of republican congressmen due to their lack of a voting record opposing Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security despite opposing Obamacare, which in the eyes of Republicans, is seen as just another entitlement program.


Rex
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
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So you're saying that you don't have a problem with the U.S. judicial system simultaneously ruling that a law is a tax, but that revenue raising (the purpose of a tax) is not the object of the bill?

A law is a tax? What are you talking about? The tax is the penalty for non-compliance with the law.
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If you desire intellectual honesty from posters on an LSU message board, why wouldn't you demand the same of your leaders in Washington?

Obama was justified in not classifying a penalty on one's income tax returns as a new tax. Revenue wasn't the object of Obamacare.



Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
why do y'all argue with this troll


Rex
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
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He came here to appear smug and self-righteous. He's not interested in intellectual honesty.

Apparently, my intellectual honesty was bound to be "smug" and "self-righteous" because you're not accustomed to honesty in your circle.


kingbob
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
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Obama was justified in not classifying a penalty on one's income tax returns as a new tax. Revenue wasn't the object of Obamacare.


Why did you bring up Obama? Last time I checked, Obama was President, not a federal judge.

The federal government defines a tax law's purpose as raising revenue. By the Supreme Court qualifying Obamacare as a tax as justification for it's existence, how can a lower court in full intellectual honesty and keeping with the law they claim to serve, claim that raising revenue was not the purpose of a tax with the definition of a tax is to raise revenue?

If the purpose of the law was not to raise revenue, than the law itself is not a tax and therefor is unconstitutional. If the law is a tax, then it's goal is to raise revenue, and it originated in the wrong house of Congress, meaning it was passed in an unconstitutional manner and must be returned to Congress as a bill and face the rigors of passage again.


kingbob
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
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why do y'all argue with this troll


Frankly, I'm bored.


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Rex
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why do y'all argue with this troll

They don't argue very well, troll or not. Nor do you.



Paluka
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
It's your lack of honesty and debating skills that are the problem, Rex. You offer disingenuous comments to appear as if you know what you're talking about yet ignore valid and factually accurate information offered to counter your position. Pathetic.


Rex
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
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The federal government defines a tax law's purpose as raising revenue.

The government didn't do that. It wasn't a "tax law" and raising revenue was not its purpose.
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By the Supreme Court qualifying Obamacare as a tax as justification for it's existence,

The Supreme Court didn't do that. The individual mandate portion of the law was under constitutional suit, and the Supreme Court upheld it. The Supreme Court didn't classify or justify all of Obamacare as a tax. It didn't justify anything, as a matter of fact.


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gatorrocks
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
I'm libertarian and I dislike each of those programs.


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Rex
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re: You Republicans don't like Medicare or Medicaid or SocSec, either...
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It's your lack of honesty and debating skills that are the problem, Rex. You offer disingenuous comments to appear as if you know what you're talking about yet ignore valid and factually accurate information offered to counter your position. Pathetic.

That's hilarious.


Paluka
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