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Edearl Watson
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Rex, defend the constitutionality of Obamacare. Here are your conditions:
1. It was not passed as a tax.
2. The recent supreme court ruling says it is a tax.
3. All tax bills must originate in the House of Representatives, but the Affordable Care Act originated in the Senate.
4. Health Insurance premiums have been rising considerably since the bills passage (more rapidly than they had prior)



Anyone else notice how the dog lover has nothing in response to the facts. Other than






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Rex
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Rex, defend the constitutionality of Obamacare. Here are your conditions:
1. It was not passed as a tax.

Yes, it was. A tax penalty is a tax, regardless of whatever political naivete or subterfuge Obama might have used to pass it.
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2. The recent supreme court ruling says it is a tax.

Yes, and they were correct.
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3. All tax bills must originate in the House of Representatives, but the Affordable Care Act originated in the Senate.

H.R. 3590 DID originate in the House. A suit to repeal Obamacare because of its origination has already been dismissed in a Federal court.
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4. Health Insurance premiums have been rising considerably since the bills passage (more rapidly than they had prior)

Growth in health care costs have slowed since Obamacare passage.








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kingbob
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where can I get one of those patches?





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Edearl Watson
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Growth in health care costs have slowed since Obamacare passage.








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kingbob
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Growth in health care costs have slowed since Obamacare passage


Can I get a link? Because I had a link from the NY Times that said the opposite.






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Rex
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Can I get a link?

LINK
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Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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Total costs for health care services, including everything from doctor visits and prescription drugs to surgeries, are expected to rise 6.5% in 2014, when the Affordable Care Act fully kicks in, according to a report released Tuesday.


LINK

I dont think you read this link






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Wild Thang
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kingbob
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H.R. 3590 DID originate in the House


Actually HR 3962 originated in the House, but was abandoned after HR3590, which originated in the Senate, was approved by the Senate and passed onto the house where it was voted on via reconciliation, which is only supposed to be used for budget bills, which a tax is not.






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Rex
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Versus historically typical double digit annual increases.






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Mr.Perfect
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BCBS in Louisiana is going up 30-50% across the board next year. Your links are worthless without clicking them because they do notrepresent ACA uunderwriting





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kingbob
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Your first link says that costs were slowing (not compared to the period prior to the bill's passage) but compared to the estimate of how much costs would increase for that year. They had estimated a 5.5% increase and only got a 4.5% increase after a 3.9% increase last year. FAIL





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Rex
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Like I said, a suit to throw out Obamacare as unconstitutional because of origination has already been dismissed in a Federal court.






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kingbob
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Dismissed due to the volume of cases not due to the merits of the case. Can you not dispute the merit of my claim? Can you not prove me wrong via your own merits, argumentative skills, logic, or researching abilities?

I mean, I'm just some dumb, poor, country, republican. Surely an intellectual Titan such as yourself could prove little 'ol me wrong?



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Mr.Perfect
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Rex... do you have BCBS in Louisiana?





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Rex
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BC-BS rates are not the be-all and end-all of the Obamacare issue.





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Mr.Perfect
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The new ACA underwriting guidelines they are following are.

So there is that






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LSURussian
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Versus historically typical double digit annual increases.

Another lie.






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weagle99
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Like I said, a suit to throw out Obamacare as unconstitutional because of origination has already been dismissed in a Federal court.



The cases were dismissed due to lack of standing, not on the argument itself.







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Rex
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Dismissed due to the volume of cases not due to the merits of the case.

Wrong. The court sided with the government that the object of the bill is not for raising revenue, and thus the origination clause doesn't apply... i.e. dismissed on merit.
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Can you not dispute the merit of my claim?

I already have.
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I mean, I'm just some dumb, poor, country, republican.

Maybe you have some other redeeming qualities?








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