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Analysis of Cam's offense vs Jim Caldwell's for Ravens


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The TE route differences stand out.



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airbornetiger
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Tiger Voodoo
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re: Analysis of Cam's offense vs Jim Caldwell's for Ravens


That is a stupid fricking article.

First of all, there was no "Jim Caldwell Offense" for the Ravens last year. It was Cam's offense from start to finish, which he developed for 5 years after mentoring Flacco as a rookie QB out of Delaware.

Cherry picking two games that illustrate his point, including one against Pittsburgh, which had one of the best defense over the middle (think that has anything to do with why they didn't attack the middle??) is a fricking horrible attempt to pretend to have done some valid analysis. Maybe the match ups were better on the outside. Maybe Cam called middle routes and Flacco or the receivers adjusted their routes based on what the defense was doing??

Not to mention Pitt, Houston, and SD all had top 10 defenses last year while NE wasn't even top 20. Hell NE was 29th in pass D.



Flacco just played better in the playoffs, the same way he did in 2011. Overall, their offensive numbers were actually slightly down after Cam left.

And Pitta wasn't any more of a factor post Cam, and Boldin's targets were about the same too, although Flacco went to him a lot in the Super Bowl. But Boldin had 4 games with at least as many targets under Cam as he did in that game.


Stupid article trying to create a narrative.

Pitta's game by game stats

Boldin's game by game stats


Their offense was exactly the same after Cam, but they just played a bit better, which the Ravens always did down the stretch because they were a veteran team that knew when to turn it on.

Hell, Cam would have been at LSU in 2012 had the Ravens not turned it on in the playoffs the same way in 2011 before a dropped TD pass by Lee Evans in the AFCCG kept them out of the Super Bowl. Everyone in Baltimore thought Cam was gone at the end of 2011 before they rallied in the playoffs and Harbaugh brought him back for 2012.

Cam is at LSU because he began to butt heads with Flacco who became a cocky superstar that didn't want to have an overbearing coach like Cam anymore despite the fact that Cam is the one that mentored him out of college to become the pro he is now.


Flacco's laid back personality outgrew Cam's intense coaching style once he became the star and didn't feel like working with him anymore. Period.




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TigersforEver
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The main point of this article is that Cam prefers to work the seams to the sidelines, while Caldwell is more focused on thei middle of the field.

For us, I think Cam's approach is a better fit. Throwing over the middle is riskier, and the outside is Bama's weakness.






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Meauxjeaux
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re: Analysis of Cam's offense vs Jim Caldwell's for Ravens


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That is a stupid fricking article.


A friggin men..

The retard writer says this:

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Look at all the in-breaking routes (especially deeper down the middle of the field) the Ravens used under Caldwell compared to Cameron.





And yet the only difference is that Flacco actually completed the ones under Caldwell. WTFrick?






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The main point of this article is that Cam prefers to work the seams to the sidelines, while Caldwell is more focused on thei middle of the field.



I had edited my post to include this:


Cherry picking two games that illustrate his point, including one against Pittsburgh, which had one of the best defense over the middle (think that has anything to do with why they didn't attack the middle??) is a fricking horrible attempt to pretend to have done some valid analysis. Maybe the match ups were better on the outside. Maybe Cam called middle routes and Flacco or the receivers adjusted their routes based on what the defense was doing??

Not to mention Pitt, Houston, and SD all had top 10 defenses last year while NE wasn't even top 20. Hell NE was 29th in pass D.


That is a terrible, contrived article where the writer is doing everything he can to create a narrative.

I wonder how long it took him to pick the two games for each OC before he got those patterns on his stupid arse note pad that he could use to prove the point he was trying to make.



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The two offensive coordinators had one common opponent (New England) and Flacco threw for 380 and 3 TDs with Cam as the coordinator.

As for Cam not utilizing routes over the middle, there was this guy in San Diego who was pretty decent over the middle. I think his name was, uhhhhh, Antonio Gates.

The most overlooked thing in all of Cam's analysis is that his QBs had 3.2 years of starting experience while he was in San Diego and Baltimore. He was developing really young quarterbacks and developing them into top-notch players.






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Tiger Voodoo
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The two offensive coordinators had one common opponent (New England) and Flacco threw for 380 and 3 TDs with Cam as the coordinator.



Yeah no shite. Why the frick didn't that douche writer compare those two games instead of cherry picking opponents? I'd love to see what the route breakdown was with Cam against NE.


I mean, Jarvis was all over the middle of the field Saturday, and Dural and Boone had catches in the middle as well.

fricking a-hole reporters.


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As for Cam not utilizing routes over the middle, there was this guy in San Diego who was pretty decent over the middle. I think his name was, uhhhhh, Antonio Gates.





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He was developing really young quarterbacks and developing them into top-notch players.


Absolutely. And it's not even just QBs like Brees, Rivers, and Flacco. Tomlinson, Gates, Ronnie Brown, Ray Rice, Pitta, all became superstars playing in Cam offenses.


I've said this all offseason, Cam Cameron coming to LSU should have been one of the biggest stories of the offseason.

The lazy ignorant media slept on it because they are idiots who tell themselves Miles is some bumbling meddler and Cam was run out of Baltimore because he was terrible while Jim Caldwell re-invented the Ravens offense for the playoffs, both of which are fricking idiotic notions.



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LSU4BT
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Worthless article.

Our TE's will become more involved in time....... probably by the UGA game. Probably intentionally setting it up that way too, I may add.








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Gray Tiger
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Our TE's will become more involved in time.


If the team is winning, why is this important? What does it matter who is catching the ball?






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I've said this all offseason, Cam Cameron coming to LSU should have been one of the biggest stories of the offseason.
Well, after just one game it's looks like all the Realists that don't have their heads buried in the sand were right all along.

All the constant denial from that clique of Miles Apologists, Pumpers, Cheerleaders, Buttock Smoochers and Worshippers has proven to be just exactly what most of us always knew. We were running an outdated 1970's Big10 style conservative offense with plays being scripted by Bo Schembechler himself.

In walks Camerban and the offense is like night and day immediately.

And yet another Rant victory for the Realists.






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A75CADDY
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I think you all miss the point of the article.The reporter observed the subtle differences in the approach of the 2 coordinators.Caldwell simply tweaked what Cam was doing and it worked.I'm not a stat warrior and won't pretend to be, but I think the stats will bear out that the Ravens offense was better after Caldwell took over statistically.Especially considering the bulk of those games were against playoff defenses. With that being said Im still glad to have CC at lsu.





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Tiger Voodoo
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All the constant denial from that clique of Miles Apologists, Pumpers, Cheerleaders, Buttock Smoochers and Worshippers has proven to be just exactly what most of us always knew. We were running an outdated 1970's Big10 style conservative offense with plays being scripted by Bo Schembechler himself.

In walks Camerban and the offense is like night and day immediately.






I hate to break it to you and your ilk, but your desperation to validate your idiotic criticism of Miles the past 5 seasons just proves how wrong you've been.

The "outdated 1970's Big 10 style conservative offense" you try to pin on Miles is the EXACT same offense Cam Cameron has made his living on.

You see, what clowns like you will never admit is it's not that Cameron walked in and totally threw out the offense like it was "night and day", but it is that we finally have the personnel to run the same offense in right way, namely a true SEC quarterback.

The offense we saw Saturday night was the EXACT same offense we ran to perfection to dissect Saban and Bama last November, as well as MSU and OM. The only thing different between Saturday and last year was that we now have a monstrous offensive line, the same thing that has made Alabama so difficult to stop the past 5 years, and the added weapons at receiver allowed Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham to play and thrive in their natural positions.

I started a thread about this inevitable improvement on December 7th of last year, "infamously" , before Cameron was even fired from Baltimore. I doubt you'll care to read it, but just in case I'm wrong about you, HERE IT IS

Of course, Mett also looked like a seasoned veteran instead of the still learning first year starter as well, and that is where Cam's presence will be felt most. While Mett would have improved this year anyway, Cam is a phenomenal teacher of the quarterback position, and Mett's progress is that much more under Cam instead of a good QB mind in his own right in Krag, but nowhere near Cam's ability to mentor a QB. Cam's influence is already being felt, and will only be felt more as Jennings, Rettig, and Harris move through the program with under his tutoring.


Haters like you will refuse to see that the reason Cameron was such a fantastic hire is BECAUSE HE AND MILES' PHILOSOPHIES MESH SO PERFECTLY TOGETHER.

Your claim of "night and day" difference in the offense refers to PRODUCTION, not philosophy, and the production at the end of the year in 2012 was virtually the same as last night without Cam.

Like I said, Cameron was a HUGE signing, but not because he is cleaning house. It's because he's a great teacher and football mind, and his pedigree of success in the NFL is unmatched by every single coach in college football, including Nick Saban. Yes, he will provide an improvement in play calling, but Miles hasn't called the plays through your blue period of criticism anyway.


Face it, you've been wrong about Miles all along. Crowton destroyed Jarrett Lee in 08, and JJ in 09, and the only thing that kept the program afloat was Miles recognizing that the only strength that this team had was hunkering down and running the ball.

That self aware philosophy got us 11 wins in 2010 and an undefeated SEC Championship in 2011 with two QBs that had been stripped away of any potential they had to be great in the SEC. That was not due to Miles' pro style philosophy, but Gary Crowton's stupendous schemes once he moved away from the pro style foundation laid by Jimbo, which was also a perfect fit with Miles.

Cameron and Miles are cut from the exact same cloth, and only your pathetic resentment, bitterness and refusal to admit that you were wrong about our coach for 5 years will keep you from admitting that simple fact.





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KennesawTiger
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BRAVEHEART


For someone who claims to have played football for LSU, you have no football IQ whatsoever.






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