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George Will: Detroit doesn’t have a fiscal problem, but a ‘cultural collapse’


I happen to agree with what Will said, but for the purpose of this thread I'm more concerned with the response to Will's comments from liberal journalist Katrina vanden Heuvel. Her response exemplifies how the left keeps America from having serious conversations about inner cities, crime, or any topic where race is involved. To bring up the culpability of the people involved in whatever problem is being discussed is to be branded a racist, a bigot, etc.

This is from The Week With George Stephanopolous.

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GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, HOST: I want to go quickly back to you, Steve, on this question of the Detroit bailout. You, of course, you managed the auto bailout for President Obama. Wrote a piece in the New York Times last week saying he should consider federal assistance. Jack Lew seemed pretty definitive right there it's not coming.

STEVE RATTNER, MSNBC MORNING JOE ECONOMIC ANALYST: First of all, there's is a difference between a bailout and somehow rescuing the creditors -- avoiding the whole bankruptcy process and some kind of help. And what I'm thinking about is in the second category.

I recognize Washington is not going to come in and undo this default and pay off the bondholders. But you have got a situation where 80 percent of the pain from this restructuring is being borne by the workers and the retirees if this plan goes through. You have a situation -- where I have read that whole plan, and I don't believe it can solve Detroit's problems. Detroit needs investment, and that's where the federal government and the state, particularly, can and should help.

GEORGE WILL: Can't solve the problems, because their problems are cultural. You have a city, 139 square miles, you can graze cattle in vast portions of it, dangerous herds of feral dogs roam in there. 3 percent of fourth graders reading at the national math standards, 47 percent of Detroit residents are functionally illiterate, 79 percent of Detroit children are born to unmarried mothers. They don't have a fiscal problem, Steve, they have a cultural collapse.

KRISTINA VANDEN HEUVEL, THE NATION: I find that really insulting to the people of Detroit. I think there is a serious discussion about the future of cities in a time of deindustrialization. But in many ways, Detroit has been a victim of market forces, and I think that what Steve said is so critical, that retirees and workers should not bear this. And this story should not be hijacked as one of about greedy, fiscal, public unions.


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GreatLakesTiger24
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it wouldn't have been able to become such a cesspool without the unions.





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That's part of the problem, no doubt.





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facts are insulting





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"Facts are stubborn things." John Adams







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: I find that really insulting to the people of Detroit. I think there is a serious discussion about the future of cities in a time of deindustrialization. But in many ways, Detroit has been a victim of market forces, and I think that what Steve said is so critical, that retirees and workers should not bear this. And this story should not be hijacked as one of about greedy, fiscal, public unions.


Oh, good lord.






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retirees and workers should not bear this.

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Oh, good lord.

Ain't that something?

The very people who created the problem and have been enjoying their filthy lucre for decades must be protected and kept whole in their unearned lifestyles.

DAMN I loathe 'progressives' = literally scum of the earth.






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KRISTINA VANDEN HEUVEL, THE NATION: I find that really insulting to the people of Detroit. I think there is a serious discussion about the future of cities in a time of deindustrialization. But in many ways, Detroit has been a victim of market forces, and I think that what Steve said is so critical, that retirees and workers should not bear this. And this story should not be hijacked as one of about greedy, fiscal, public unions.



Translation: Don't blame the wonderful public unions. It was evil capitalism that caused Detroit's collapse.






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Ain't that something?

The very people who created the problem and have been enjoying their filthy lucre for decades must be protected and kept whole in their unearned lifestyles.


It's ridiculous. So many people have their head up their ass.

I remember when Pittsburgh was "dying" because of the loss of the steel industry. Strange how it's recovered.







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it wouldn't have been able to become such a cesspool without the unions.



Yes. The cesspools in Birmingham and Memphis are clearly because of the strong unions in Alabama and Tennessee.






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Yes. The cesspools in Birmingham and Memphis are clearly because of the strong unions in Alabama and Tennessee.


Demographics and they still have a tax base to leech off of.






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More of a moral collapse, IMO. Stealing from people over years and years leads to stuff like this.





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Imagine a city where the following is true:

1. Only 3% of fourth graders perform at the national math standards.

2. 47% of the residents are functionally illiterate.

3. 79% of the children are born to unmarried mothers.

What would you predict the future of that city to be?



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How quaint. We can talk about all things that advance her political agenda:

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Detroit has been a victim of market forces


But we can not bear to make mention of things that run counter to her political agenda:

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this story should not be hijacked as one of about greedy, fiscal, public unions.


Sounds like the foundation for an enlightened dialogue!



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Imagine a city where the following is true:

1. Only 3% of fourth graders perform at the national math standards.

2. 47% of the residents are functionally illiterate.

3. 79% of the children are born to unmarried mothers.

What would you predict the future of that city to be?


That isn't a recipe for success. What are the demographics of Detroit?






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Oh, and I'm curious how the presidential vote in Detroit went last election if anyone knows. Thanks.

I have a theory on Detroit's bankruptcy, but I'm just not sure yet.



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soft language for soft people.

those fricks can't handle the truth and this problem is only getting worse.

interesting times ahead.



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retirees and workers should not bear this.

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Oh, good lord.


Ain't that something?

The very people who created the problem and have been enjoying their filthy lucre for decades must be protected and kept whole in their unearned lifestyles.

DAMN I loathe 'progressives' = literally scum of the earth.


AMEN brother. Stupid arse liberal progressive policies, namely forcing banks to violate sound leading practices, also lead to the financial debacle/economic collapse in '08. Yet they remain experts at blaming conservatives/Pubs added and abetted by an obliging mostly liberal media.






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Blaming the downfall of black cities on Democrats is equally as idiotic as blaming the downfall of black schools on the government.

The answer is right there in front of you, but nobody can talk about it openly, without getting into trouble.






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Blaming the downfall of black cities on Democrats is equally as idiotic as blaming the downfall of black schools on the government.

The answer is right there in front of you, but nobody can talk about it openly, without getting into trouble.


And who does the black community put its faith into to fix these problems?






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