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WikiTiger
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maybe it's just better if you read this piece by Alan Greenspan entitled Antitrust.

He explains it in there.






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oklahogjr
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monopolies are only possible with government involvement.

you fricking kidding me?






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TigerGman
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He explains it in there.



Hold on. Let me fire up my Netscape browser to read that link, which odds are was typed up on WordPerfect. Oh wait-never mind.






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WikiTiger
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Hold on. Let me fire up my Netscape browser to read that link, which odds are was typed up on WordPerfect. Oh wait-never mind.


WTF? Do you not care to hear the argument? I figured Alan Greenspan would do a much better job than myself in making the argument. You can also find similar arguments throughout the Austrian school. The Mises Institute site has numerous articles on the concept. It's certainly not an original argument of mine.

But if reading makes your head hurt too much, then try this video: LINK



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TigerGman
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WTF? Do you not care to hear the argument?


I read it. I gave you an example of why he's FOS too.






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Patrick O Rly
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Monopoly use to mean special privileges granted by an authority. In the modern day sense, it is impossible to maintain a monopoly without some form of overwhelming force and or threat of violence. The form people are most comfortable with is government. The other type (like the drug cartels) people aren't so comfortable with.


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TigerGman
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Monopoly use to mean special privileges granted by an authority. In the modern day sense, it is impossible to maintain a monopoly without some form of overwhelming violence.


The only meaningful definition is the legal one, cause ultimately that's the one that can't get you hammered in court.






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LSURussian
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maybe it's just better if you read this piece by Alan Greenspan entitled Antitrust.


Do you realize Greenspan's paper disputes your "monopolies can't exist in a free market" statement?

As Greenspan pointed out, monopolies developed without governmental involvement in the 19th century and only through enactment of anti-trust legislation were those monopolies split up.

In the later part of the 20th century (decades after Greenspan wrote the paper you linked) Microsoft developed into a monopoly in "a free market."

In addition to you linking a paper that proves your point wrong, it's humorous that the paper you linked was written by a guy who headed up an institution that you have vilified for years.

Now THAT is a !






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WikiTiger
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I gave you an example of why he's FOS too.


Your argument is silly, and not even a good one. Unless I just misunderstand what you were saying.

There is a great amount of browser competition as well as office suite competition.

Browsers:
Firefox
IE
Chrome
Dolphin
Safari
Opera
Midori


Office Suites:
MS Word
WordPerfect
LibreOffice
OpenOffice
Google Docs
Lotus
Zoho






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LSURussian
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it is impossible to maintain a monopoly without some form of overwhelming force and or threat of violence.

What "overwhelming force and or threat of violence" did Microsoft use when it created its internet PC operating system monopoly?






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WikiTiger
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I urge everyone to read Greenspan's essay and ignore LSURussian's trolls. He is lying once again. Or else his reading comprehension skills are just that bad.





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Patrick O Rly
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Oh, I was unaware they were the only provider of pc operating systems. My apologies.





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LSURussian
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There is a great amount of browser competition as well as office suite competition.

Browsers:
Firefox
IE
Chrome
Dolphin
Safari
Opera
Midori

All of those came about AFTER various governments forced MSFT to allow browser competitors to be used on their operating system.

I'm surprised you forgot that. Like I said, you flunked history.






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WikiTiger
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Oh, I was unaware they were the only provider of pc operating systems. My apologies.


Yea, I don't know what the frick I am doing using this Linux shite. Even back in the 90's there were options. OS/2, UNIX, Linux (many distro's), Mac, etc.






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GoBigOrange86
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monopolies developed without governmental involvement in the 19th century and only through enactment of anti-trust legislation were those monopolies split up.


Without active government involvement to that end, perhaps. But heavily protectionist tariffs in the 1800s absolutely contributed to monopolization.






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Patrick O Rly
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You can certainly create a monopoly, like with new techology/new products, but it's impossible to maintain in a free market.





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TigerGman
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There is a great amount of browser competition as well as office suite competition.



How many years did consumers suffer with IE cause Microsoft was able to crush the competition by giving it away for free? It took years before alternatives could find way to compete. A similar case can be made for the way Microsoft crushed WordPerfect.







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WikiTiger
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All of those came about AFTER various governments forced MSFT to allow browser competitors to be used on their operating system.




you know what, I'm actually going to reply to this idiocy despite my commitment to never reply to you.

The issue was not that other browser could not be installed. In fact, it was always VERY easy to install other browsers on Windows. The issue was about Microsoft bundling their browsers and making it too integral a part of the operating system which made removing it potentially hazardous (to average users).

But even before the government forced Microsoft to change things, other browsers were available and common.


Why must you lie and mislead so much?






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LSURussian
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I was unaware they were the only provider of pc operating systems. My apologies.

No need to apologize just because you and wiki don't understand that a monopoly does not mean it is the ONLY entity.

Even Greenspan's paper says that.

It's the CONTROL of an industry that makes a monopoly a monopoly, not sole ownership.

And MSFT controlled the PC operating system industry with something like 90% dominance.

Now stop avoiding the question, what violence or overwhelming force did MSFT use to become dominant?






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TigerGman
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Yea, I don't know what the frick I am doing using this Linux shite.

Well maybe you know what you're talking about when it comes to running a Linux box, but you ain't got a clue when it comes to playing Monopoly...






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