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Should Cartels be labeled Terrorist?


There is proof a number of cartels have associations with terrorist groups such as Hezbollah and Al Qaeda. The cartels are involved in pushing drugs, weapons and smuggling god know who into America. They have infiltrated virtually every major US city and connected with various gangs across the US.

Cartels present a far larger problem to the US than any other terrorist organization in the world.

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The Chicago Crime Commission, a non-government agency that tracks crime trends in the region, said it considers Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman even more menacing than Capone because Guzman leads the deadly Sinaloa cartel, which supplies most of the narcotics sold in Chicago and in many cities across the U.S.

Years ago, Mexico faced the same problem — of then-nascent cartels expanding their power — "and didn't nip the problem in the bud," said Jack Killorin, head of an anti-trafficking program in Atlanta for the Office of National Drug Control Policy. "And see where they are now."

Riley sounds a similar alarm: "People think, 'The border's 1,700 miles away. This isn't our problem.' Well, it is. These days, we operate as if Chicago is on the border."

Border states from Texas to California have long grappled with a cartel presence. But cases involving cartel members have now emerged in the suburbs of Chicago and Atlanta, as well as Columbus, Ohio, Louisville, Ky., and rural North Carolina. Suspects have also surfaced in Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota and Pennsylvania.

Mexican drug cartels "are taking over our neighborhoods," Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane warned a legislative committee in February. State Police Commissioner Frank Noonan disputed her claim, saying cartels are primarily drug suppliers, not the ones trafficking drugs on the ground.

For years, cartels were more inclined to make deals in Mexico with American traffickers, who would then handle transportation to and distribution within major cities, said Art Bilek, a former organized crime investigator who is now executive vice president of the crime commission.

As their organizations grew more sophisticated, the cartels began scheming to keep more profits for themselves. So leaders sought to cut out middlemen and assume more direct control, pushing aside American traffickers, he said.

Beginning two or three years ago, authorities noticed that cartels were putting "deputies on the ground here," Bilek said. "Chicago became such a massive market ... it was critical that they had firm control."

To help fight the syndicates, Chicago recently opened a first-of-its-kind facility at a secret location where 70 federal agents work side-by-side with police and prosecutors. Their primary focus is the point of contact between suburban-based cartel operatives and city street gangs who act as retail salesmen. That is when both sides are most vulnerable to detection, when they are most likely to meet in the open or use cellphones that can be wiretapped
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The cartels have gained a foothold in every major city in the United States -- 1,286 cities to be exact. Law enforcement officials across the country confirm that most of the gang violence that occurs in major cities is perpetrated by illegal alien criminals who operate as the foot soldiers on the front lines for the Mexican drug cartels.

A major contributing factor to the heavy influx of cartel members into the United States is the lack of proper border security. In those areas where the double-walled fence lines the southern border, the influx of such criminals has been practically halted. But there are roughly 500 more miles of the border that need the fence.





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Tigah in the ATL
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re: Should Cartels be labeled Terrorist?


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Cartels
you mean Latin American drug cartels I guess. Or do you mean OPEC, too?






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re: Should Cartels be labeled Terrorist?


You're either a dumbass or a very poor smartass?

If you read anything in the OP you wouldn't ask such a question. You're a petty little frick.






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brick
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re: Should Cartels be labeled Terrorist?


the biggest terrorist gang in the world, is in control of all the western goverments.





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SundayFunday
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re: Should Cartels be labeled Terrorist?


I would call just about anyone who leaves hundreds of dismembered and skinned bodies laying around a country a terrorist organization. In fact, they pretty much fit the definition. They spread mass terror.





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Jim Rockford
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re: Should Cartels be labeled Terrorist?


Or we could eliminate the reason for their existence and dry up their source of funds.





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brick
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re: Should Cartels be labeled Terrorist?


That would be ideal, but the biggest gang in the world will not allow such a thing.





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TigerPride10
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re: Should Cartels be labeled Terrorist?


No, because their actions do not fall in line with the most commonly accepted definition of terrorism, whereby violence is used to to terrorize a nation's people and coerce them to call for political change. The motive of the cartels is profit, not political change.





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Should Cartels be labeled Terrorist?
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Jim Rockford
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No, because their actions do not fall in line with the most commonly accepted definition of terrorism, whereby violence is used to to terrorize a nation's people and coerce them to call for political change. The motive of the cartels is profit, not political change.


Except the Colombian cartels did overtly try to destabilize the government of that country, and the Mexican cartels are trending that way.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter if the motive is ideology or greed, the outcome is the same. But the Cartel insurgencies are wholly a result of our Drug War. End it and you end the cartels.






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TigerPride10
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Except the Colombian cartels did overtly try to destabilize the government of that country, and the Mexican cartels are trending that way.


Right, but I worry about giving blanket labels to every "bad" group. It tends to dumb down our own citizenry who do not see the nuances of different conflicts.

With that said, I do think the stabilization of Central and South America are more important to the future of the United States than whatever happens in the Middle East.






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The motive of the cartels is profit, not political change
Their motive is to terrorize any potential opposition.



Hence the public displays of tortured victims.






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Decatur
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Right, but I worry about giving blanket labels to every "bad" group. It tends to dumb down our own citizenry who do not see the nuances of different conflicts.


I agree we should get too caught up on labels. I don't think they're "terrorists" in the sense that actions against them would fall under the AUMF, even if they use terror tactics. With that said, most of these orgs can be a bigger threat to Americans than Islamic terrorists.

The question we should be asking is not what we should call them but how we neutralize them and under what authority we do it.






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Five0
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They are criminal organizations that use terror in the psychological sense but not primarily for political ends. So I would say no. They are in it for the money and control of the logistical tools for making the money. They could not care less who is in control of their government because they either pay in silver or lead.





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cwill
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Cartels present a far larger problem to the US than any other terrorist organization in the world.


No they don't...they present problems for other criminals involved in the drug business.

They are just common criminals that have become rich on this ridiculous insistence on US drug prohibition but they do not represent a political agenda against our government.






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No they don't...they present problems for other criminals involved in the drug business.

They are just common criminals that have become rich on this ridiculous insistence on US drug prohibition but they do not represent a political agenda against our government.


I disagree, they present a threat to local law enforcement and neighborhoods across America. Their weapons are superior to most law enforcement agencies. They terrorize and kill people that say anything about their operations. I am saying the problem is going to get worse before it gets better.

If its such a simple criminal matter then why doesn't the government shut them down? You cannot convince me we couldn't militarize the borders in order to stop further cartel infiltration.

ETA: Using fear and intimidation tactics is exactly what terrorism is regardless if its for monetary or religious reasons



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cwill
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I disagree, they present a threat to local law enforcement and neighborhoods across America. Their weapons are superior to most law enforcement agencies. They terrorize and kill people that say anything about their operations. I am saying the problem is going to get worse before it gets better.


The vast majority of the crime is across the border...the only cross border problem is primarily that they are fueling the black market for drugs. El Paso is one of the safest cities int the country....right across the border from one of the most dangerous in the world...the cartel problem is in MX not the US.

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If its such a simple criminal matter then why doesn't the government shut them down? You cannot convince me we couldn't militarize the borders in order to stop further cartel infiltration.


Why are there still murders in the US? Can't we just hire enough cops to patrol every acre of the US? Why couldn't the US stamp out the liquor mogs?

You create a black market this lucrative through stupid prohibition laws you'll never wipe it out.

Militarize the US/MX border and they'll just find an alternative route....in fact that's why it comes through MX, we degraded the Colombian/Caribbean route. Wake up dude - it's a US law problem not a MX cartel problem.






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Five0
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If its such a simple criminal matter then why doesn't the government shut them down? You cannot convince me we couldn't militarize the borders in order to stop further cartel infiltration.


This is true. There is no political will. Plus it makes more money to sell weapons to corrupt Mexican police/government than stopping it.






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Militarize the US/MX border and they'll just find an alternative route....in fact that's why it comes through MX, we degraded the Colombian/Caribbean route. Wake up dude - it's a US law problem not a MX cartel problem.


I believe they may find alternative routes but the guns and smuggling would be dramatically reduced if we militarized the border. We basically have the cartels teaming up with gangs and turning them into Cartel militias. Plus we have terrorist groups teaming up with them and we have no idea who they are helping smuggle into this country. Just look at the Mexican government and how they have been overrun by the cartels.

Ending the drug war is not going to stop this dynamic






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I would call just about anyone who leaves hundreds of dismembered and skinned bodies laying around a country a terrorist organization. In fact, they pretty much fit the definition. They spread mass terror.


Exactly, it's fear that they try to achieve in order to gain monetarily.



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