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Making our women wear burkas and converting our population would help too, but we don't act solely in self-interest, however that doesn't stop us from doing anything we think we need to do in the name of self interest.

This statement is nonsensical on so many levels. Do you really believe that we were attacked on 9/11 because we don't make our women wear burkas? Oa handful of the world's 55 nations make women wear burkas.






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Blaming the evangelicals, regardless of whether there's an element of truth in it, is a diversion or a distraction IMO. The real reason for our policies toward Israel doesn't have much to do with religion or altruism. IMO, it has much more to do with money.


I think you vastly underestimate, probably naively, the role of Christian Zionism in the creation and the security of Israel. While Europe was in the process of disengaging from its historic colonial holdings, Western countries doubled down on their backing of a Jewish state in the middle east.

Benjamin Netanyahu knows:

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"I don't believe that the Jewish state and modern Zionism would have been possible without Christian Zionism," Netanyahu said at the dedication ceremony. "I think that the many Christian supporters of the rebirth of the Jewish state and the ingathering of the Jewish people in the 19th century made possible the rise of Jewish Zionism."


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I think it would also be naive to think that the evangelical belief in Zionism doesn't pay a pivotal role in our foreign policy towards Israel. It is a huge political pressure that nicely dovetails off the philosophies that helped create the Israeli state in the first place.

I would say is is the single most important component in our support of Israel and without it, our policies would be vastly different.








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This statement is nonsensical on so many levels. Do you really believe that we were attacked on 9/11 because we don't make our women wear burkas? Oa handful of the world's 55 nations make women wear burkas.


Do you think ISrael is the only reason we were attacked on 9/11?
I would also point out that we are not the only ones who have been attacked by terrorists. Does Spain have a particularly "queer" relationship with Israel?






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Do you think ISrael is the only reason we were attacked on 9/11? I would also point out that we are not the only ones who have been attacked by terrorists. Does Spain have a particularly "queer" relationship with Israel?

Predictably you would rather change the subject than answer my question. I haven't made any comments regarding the questions you posed, but you implied that the reason for America's Arab/Islamic blowback is that we don't make women wear burkas despite the fact that most Muslim nations don't make women wear burkas.






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Does Spain have a particularly "queer" relationship with Israel?


Are you referring to the Basque terrorists attacks ( (The ETA)? If so there is so much fail in trying to connect these two. The ETA are more in line with the IRA than what Americans tend to refer to as terrorists (i.e. everyone who happens to be a Muslim).



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Predictably you would rather change the subject than answer my question. I haven't made any comments regarding the questions you posed, but you implied that the reason for America's Arab/Islamic blowback is that we don't make women wear burkas despite the fact that most Muslim nations don't make women we


No, CT pointed out we would be safer if we ended our "queer" relationship with Israel. I said if we wanted to be safer we could ditch Israel, convert, and give in to every other demand the terrorists have.

You're just as naive if you think Israel is the only reason they attacked us. Arabs care so much about Palestinians they don't want any of them in their countries.



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Palestinians are a side issue and you know it.





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Palestinians are a side issue and you know it.


I am not sure what you mean by this?






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What I mean is, the state of Israel is a parasite to us, and we need to end this parasitic relationship now!


It does not benefit us at all!






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What I mean is, the state of Israel is a parasite to us, and we need to end this parasitic relationship now!


It does not benefit us at all!



Why are you signaling out Israel and not just foreign aid?






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Why are you signaling out Israel and not just foreign aid?


Because they represent most of the foreign aid.


(I do not have the numbers right now, but I remember them being close to 90% to Israel)






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I'm not going to read this entire thread. I will say that regardless of when and how Israel was formed (and Palestine for that matter) it seems that when we try to apply rules to war it creates a never-ending cycle of war.

The U.S. could have dominated the Vietnam War but there were rules preventing us from pursuing and killing the declared enemy.

I know many will not agree with me but if Israel wants these "occupied" places to be theirs then they just need to take them and kick everyone else out. We know it won't happen but this is the truth.

I simply think if you're going to fight a war then go all out and win. frick the political side of things.







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Because they represent most of the foreign aid.


(I do not have the numbers right now, but I remember them being close to 90% to Israel)


The fact that we are keeping a country that has nuclear arms stable is worth the money, same reason we give money to pakistan. You don't want whats going on in Syria going on in Israel

Also if you are against foreign aid sure, just be against it but ISrael doesn't get 90% of it. It weakens your argument when you make some better than others. What are we getting from Tanzania, ethiopia, kenya?






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do you know that applies to us as well?





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Message Posted by brick
do you know that applies to us as well?
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I didn't use the example by accident. I know it does and think we need to shite or get off the pot. I'd prefer if we'd get off the pot.






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You don't want whats going on in Syria going on in Israel




We are financing the "rebels" in Syria, we are trying to destroy the goverment of that sovereign country, do not be that fricking naive.






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SammyTiger
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We are financing the "rebels" in Syria, we are trying to destroy the goverment of that sovereign country, do not be that fricking naive.


The government of that sovereign country is also killing its people, but please just fill me in oh expert of Syria.

Also that isn't really the point. Do you want what is going on in Syria going on in a country that has already has nuclear weapons? Do you thin it is a good idea for those to be in toss up? That alone is a good reason to support Israel. If they go down our common enemies now have nukes.







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Posted by brick quote: We are financing the "rebels" in Syria, we are trying to destroy the goverment of that sovereign country, do not be that fricking naive.
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Yep. Then the "rebels" will turn around and start new terrorist activity against us.






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brick
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I didn't use the example by accident. I know it does and think we need to shite or get off the pot. I'd prefer if we'd get off the pot.



I agree with you






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Israel would bomb the shite out of that region before they went down.

ETA: with their nukes.



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