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Powerman
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Where does one get a fake SS number? Wouldn't the IRS realize it does not exist?


I don't know how they do it but they do it

And it's your employer that takes the money out of your check...not the IRS.

And even if the IRS did know, would they really have a problem with it if the person is paying taxes?






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cwill
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I don't know if illegals actually file tax returns...what they do is get the fake SS# to get DLs, and fill out their W2s and they are taxed on their pay checks including SS which they never see a dime of.





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Zach
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And even if the IRS did know,

The employer MUST send a copy of the tax statement to the IRS, not just the employee. The IRS isn't guessing what you made. They've got it from the guy who issued your check.

The only way around this is cash only business.






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cwill
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The employer MUST send a copy of the tax statement to the IRS, not just the employee. The IRS isn't guessing what you made. They've got it from the guy who issued your check.


You think the IRS checks every W-2 to determine fraud? That would be a pretty serious undertaking and even if they did the employer has plausible deniability...it's just a crack in the system...one we benefit from.






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Zach
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You think the IRS checks every W-2 to determine fraud?

Nope, apparently they only check that stuff with conservatives. Have you been reading the news?






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udtiger
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Simple solution:

No education.
No medical treatment.
Employers arrested/jailed for hiring illegals (including seizure of assets - personnel and business).

They'll be running back to the border.



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cwill
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Great non responsive point! You wily ole coot!





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cwill
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Simple solution: No education. No medical treatment. Employers arrested/jailed for hiring illegals (including seizure of assets - personnel and business). They'll be running back to the border.


Totally impractical solution that if pulled off would be an economic disaster. Are you that naive?






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udtiger
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Why?

Only enforcement will be directed at employers. More efficient use of manpower. No worries about upsetting the tender sensibilities of people that those that brought this legal action against Arpaio.

Self-deportation will skyrocket.

Seems like a good thing.

Unless you are of the belief that nothing should be done about this invasion.






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TidenUP
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Gotta fence around your property? Garage door that closes? Just curious





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texashorn
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A couple of salient points:

Maricopa County had (past tense) federal authority delegated to detain and investigate suspected illegal immigration via the federal 287(g) program, but it was yanked because of what the feds deemed as civil rights violations.

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The 287(g) program, one of ICE’s top partnership initiatives, allows a state and local law enforcement entity to enter into a partnership with ICE, under a joint Memorandum of Agreement (MOA). The state or local entity receives delegated authority for immigration enforcement within their jurisdictions.

LINK

As for the notion that illegals are a net to government coffers... The federal and state government might come out ahead, but local governments are taking it in the nads, because they are the ones who pay for the schools, the jails, the courts and the hospitals.






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TidenUP
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LOL





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texashorn
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Do you believe it is reasonable for a suspect to wait 40 minutes while the police try to get a drug dog to the scene, then when the dog arrives on scene, it never alerts?

It is both unreasonable and illegal. I did not see any instance of this cited in the opinion, though (it's 148 pages).

In Illinois v. Caballes, the Supreme Court held that holding anyone pulled over for a traffic violation for longer than it was reasonable to take care of the original violation to wait for a drug dog is illegal, because it turns a traffic violation into a drug investigation without any cause, just a hunch.

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So holding a guy for a couple of days without reasonable suspicion of committing any crime is reasonable?

I think people who are held for longer periods are actually arrested for the original traffic violation, which is kosher under Atwater v. Lago Vista.

ETA: And they were arresting people for violating Arizona's human trafficking laws.



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RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Totally impractical solution that if pulled off would be an economic disaster.


Kind of like the one we have been in the last 4+ years?






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texashorn
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Because passengers present a risk to officer safety equal to the risk presented by the driver, an officer may ask for identification from passengers and run background checks on them as well. - United States v. Rice, 483 F.3d 1079 (10th Cir. 2007)

Police can request passengers in motor vehicles to provide identifying information, if the vehicle has been lawfully stopped. - State v. Griffith, 236 Wis. 2d 48, 2000 WI 72 (2000)


I think the key terms in these is "ask" and "request."

This goes to each state's stop-and-identify statutes. I know that in Texas, if you have not been arrested, or if you are simply a passenger in the vehicle, you do not have to provide any identifying information, either verbally or with "papers." They can ask, but they can't demand.

The overriding authority on this one is Brown v. Texas.






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udtiger
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So...we should maintain status quo so the economy can contiunue to benefit from the exploitation of illegal labor?

Funny...because this nation was involved in a pretty bloody fricking war 150 years ago that would never had occurred if this was the prevailing thinking.






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RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Don't pull me into your argument. I was just asking him about the disaster of an economy we have already been in. I haven't been paying attention to what you or him are debating...





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udtiger
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LOL

Sorry.






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KrushGroove
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Sheriff Joe as a victim...

interesting.






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Five0
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Not familiar with TX law. I have no such restrictions.





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