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re: Why "occupied Palestine"? We don't call Mexico "occupied Aztec territory"?


We don't call Oklahoma occupied north Texas





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Reubaltaich
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I think he means it in a literal way. Jewish financiers were buying land in the area. Which is true.


Exactly. The average Jewish man could not have financed the huge amounts of capital that was need to be put forth to purchase large amounts of land. Those large amounts of capital had to come from somewhere, which was usually from wealthy bankers and business tycoons.






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Reubaltaich
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Tigah in the ATL


Put the cheap wine down. You are wasting electrons.






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BayouBlitz
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Yeah, Lefties always say the White Man "stole" the U.S. from the Indians. You never hear them say that the lands of Mexico, Central and South America were 'stolen" by the Spaniards. Also, only 5% of the African slaves were sent to the U.S., the rest to the lands south of us and the islands, but you never hear about how the Hispanics are "racist". Lefties hate Israel because they worship the God of the Bible, the same reason they hate Christians. Any other religion, you're cool.


You need psychiatric help. Immediately.






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Vols&Shaft83
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Yeah, Lefties always say the White Man "stole" the U.S. from the Indians. You never hear them say that the lands of Mexico, Central and South America were 'stolen" by the Spaniards. Also, only 5% of the African slaves were sent to the U.S., the rest to the lands south of us and the islands, but you never hear about how the Hispanics are "racist". Lefties hate Israel because they worship the God of the Bible, the same reason they hate Christians. Any other religion, you're cool.



You need psychiatric help. Immediately.



Yeah they gotta shut him up before your vagina is filled with the sands of truth.






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brmark70816
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And I've never understood the Evangelical conservative obsession over protecting and serving the interests of a foreign state which only came into existence by international decree in 1948. And you surely can't confuse me with being "liberal."


It is biblical in nature. They need the existence of Israel to bring upon the end of days and the return of the savior. It's also the reason we keep trying to pick fights with middle eastern warlords, so that they can initiate certain events. It is disturbing, but it's what they believe..






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It is biblical in nature. They need the existence of Israel to bring upon the end of days and the return of the savior. It's also the reason we keep trying to pick fights with middle eastern warlords, so that they can initiate certain events. It is disturbing, but it's what they believe..


Wonderful narrative. If only it was true.






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brmark70816
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Wonderful narrative. If only it was true


The biblical prophecy?






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Wolfhound45
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The biblical prophecy?


Your (disjointed) interpretation of it. By attempting to fit all evangelical Christians into one all encompassing narrative, you missed the mark. You infer that the establishment of the state of Israel is a requirement for the return of the Messiah. Not true. You also infer they foment middle eastern wars and conflict to hasten His return. Also not true. You offer no evidence to support either claim. You just simply make it.

Again, wonderful narrative. Just not true.







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ChewyDante
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Again, wonderful narrative. Just not true.



Lots of evangelicals support American policy supporting Israel on the basis of the Bible. There's really no questioning this. I listened to about an hour of this on the radio a few weeks ago.






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tiger1014
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No it's we don't allow fascist regimes to take the territory of their neighbors through conflict even if jesus loves them very very much. You've never understood becasue you have no concept of international law it is not covered in your Bible.


While I'm no Jew apologist, all territory is gained by war of some sort. Don't particularly like your analogy here






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Wolfhound45
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Lots of evangelicals support American policy supporting Israel on the basis of the Bible. There's really no questioning this. I listened to about an hour of this on the radio a few weeks ago.


They absolutely "pray for the peace of Jerusalem" as taught in the Bible. However, they do not uniformly believe that the state of Israel is a precursor for the return of the Messiah (a moot point at this moment in time - it exists). And they definitely do not foment war in the Middle East believing it will lead to His return.






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brmark70816
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By attempting to fit all evangelical Christians into one all encompassing narrative, you missed the mark.


I assume that all Christians read and believe in the bible (even Evangelicals). The 2nd coming is a huge part of it and mentioned many times. Not sure how I misinterpret it, but I'm not a biblical scholar. So please let me know..

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You infer that the establishment of the state of Israel is a requirement for the return of the Messiah. Not true. You also infer they foment middle eastern wars and conflict to hasten His return. Also not true


This are two major events that are mentioned as precursors. Every Christian resource I look it, emphatically points at it as a major positive. What other reason would there be for their support and rejoicing?

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You offer no evidence to support either claim. You just simply make it.


I can literally link to hundreds of websites that back what I say. It is a fact and pretty much everybody knows it. I'm not trying to mock the prophecy, I just don't believe it or think it should influence national policy..






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Lots of evangelicals support American policy supporting Israel on the basis of the Bible. There's really no questioning this. I listened to about an hour of this on the radio a few weeks ago.

They probably have two reasons for saying it. Either they are too naive to know any better...or if their congregations knew the real reason, it wouldn't go over too well.






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Wolfhound45
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I assume that all Christians read and believe in the bible (even Evangelicals). The 2nd coming is a huge part of it and mentioned many times. Not sure how I misinterpret it, but I'm not a biblical scholar. So please let me know..


Fair enough, here we go...

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This are two major events that are mentioned as precursors. Every Christian resource I look it, emphatically points at it as a major positive. What other reason would there be for their support and rejoicing?


In Matthew 24:3, Jesus Christ is asked by His disciples;

Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

He replies in verses 4 through 51. Among many other signs, that they "...shall hear of wars and rumours of wars" and that "nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom" (verses 6, 7)

Most evangelical Christians will acknowledge these signs, but that hardly means they consider them a "major positive" or that they are cause for "their support and rejoicing."

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I can literally link to hundreds of websites that back what I say. It is a fact and pretty much everybody knows it. I'm not trying to mock the prophecy, I just don't believe it or think it should influence national policy..


You can link to literally hundreds of websites that back what you say? I will settle for two, maybe three. Fair enough?

And I do not decry the fact that you do not believe Jesus Christ will return. That is your choice. But I do not believe you can demonstrate in a tangible way how the Christian view of eschatology is being used to "influence national policy." Please enlighten me.






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brmark70816
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You can link to literally hundreds of websites that back what you say? I will settle for two, maybe three. Fair enough?


Fair enough...

Biblebelievers (LINK )

"God cannot establish His Son in Israel as King of the Jews unless the Jews are living in Palestine, their promised homeland, so it is God's plan to restore the Jews to Palestine before the Second Coming of Christ"

Gracethrufaith (LINK /)

Signs of the 2nd coming.. "1. Israel Will Be In The Land … Ezekiel 36:8-12, 37:21"

JPN bible study (LINK )

Christadelphia (LINK )

"The Establishment of the State of Israel.
No greater sign could be presented. After 1900 years of dispersion, persecution, and oppression, the Jewish people have at long last achieved Statehood"

I could keep going, but it gets repetitive..

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But I do not believe you can demonstrate in a tangible way how the Christian view of eschatology is being used to "influence national policy." Please enlighten me.


You seem to be a really smart person (you even tricked me into doing a bunch of bible study tonight), but you can't expect people to believe if someone has these beliefs they don't influence their political motives. The fact Israel has so much Christian support puts that notion in doubt. I will look for more resources to back my argument though..






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Northwestern tiger
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re: Why "occupied Palestine"? We don't call Mexico "occupied Aztec territory"?


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It is biblical in nature. They need the existence of Israel to bring upon the end of days and the return of the savior. It's also the reason we keep trying to pick fights with middle eastern warlords, so that they can initiate certain events. It is disturbing, but it's what they believe..


Excellent point

I believe in 20 years from now the role will reverse. Allies will be Iran and hizbollah against every Sunni state. A 3rd world. war that will help initiate events








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RogerTheShrubber
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Seems like if people believe some supernatural protection exists over Israel they wouldn't worry about spending money to protect it.

I've never seen any of my Christian friends caring about Israel one way or another outside of somewhere to visit, but they are fairly sensible people.






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Jim Rockford
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He replies in verses 4 through 51. Among many other signs, that they "...shall hear of wars and rumours of wars" and that "nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom" (verses 6, 7)


When in the history of mankind has this not been true? That's the thing about biblical prophecy. It's just vague enough to sound plausible without pinning down actual places, times, and events.






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ChewyDante
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re: Why "occupied Palestine"? We don't call Mexico "occupied Aztec territory"?


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They absolutely "pray for the peace of Jerusalem" as taught in the Bible. However, they do not uniformly believe that the state of Israel is a precursor for the return of the Messiah (a moot point at this moment in time - it exists). And they definitely do not foment war in the Middle East believing it will lead to His return.


The program I listened to mentioned the Bible and it's teaching as the reason the United States must support Israel in any case of war in the region. They even gave some long diatribe about "whoa unto those American leaders who decide not to come to Israel's aid" yada, yada.

Whether they wish to foment war is something else. Generally speaking I would agree with you that only a minimum number of crazies take that position. But make no mistake, there is a large contingent who wish to subjugate American foreign policy to the notion that Israel is the land of God's "chosen people" and we must defend them because the Bible says so, not because of any rational, American foreign policy interests. As a conservative, these people drive me insane and there are many elected officials that fall into this group.






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