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CarrolltonTiger
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No, this fight been around for a long, long, long time now. We could do everything right to bad Muslims & they'd still want to kill us or convert us.


You have a very short and imperfect view of history.






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SquirrelyBama
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You have a very short and imperfect view of history.


Bad Muslims & bad Christians have done terrible things to each other for awhile now. For some, in both parties, this fight will never end. Extremist Muslim are bad apples, that simple.
I call someone for what they are, not what I want them to be. Plus, I don't justify any ones bad actions while saying so & so did that 1st.






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bigasstiger
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Of islam...We should use toilet paper to wipe that big shitty arse out.





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Paluka
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Why wouldn't they?

I believe they will continue to attack us because of a multitude of reasons (past mistakes on our part) being one of the reasons. Having read many of your posts I find it hard to believe that you think they'll stop anytime soon.

I want us out of the M.E. and not playing cop for the rest of the world. However, they will continue to come for us.






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Vols&Shaft83
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Right the small pox virus got on the blankets and handed itself to the indians. Small pox are also responsible for all the indian wars, the trail of tears and the US breaking pretty much every treaty we have ever signed with the native americans.


The only evidence of the "Blanket Theory" is a few excerpts from letters between Lord Jeffrey Amherst & Colonel Henry Bouquet discussing possible means of controlling the Indians in the summer of 1763. Whether this was actually done is debatable, BUT EVEN IF THIS WAS CARRIED OUT:

Smallpox is believed to have arrived in the Americas in 1520 on a Spanish ship sailing from Cuba, carried by an infected African slave. As soon as the party landed in Mexico, the infection began, swept through the American Continent wiping out more than 90% of the Native population.

By the time Lord Amherst arrived to carry out his evil "Blanket Plan", smallpox had already done 95% of the work for him. BUT EVEN IF LORD AMHERST WAS SOMEHOW ABLE TO TRAVEL BACK IN TIME 240 YEARS AND GIVE AN INFECTED BLANKET TO AN AFRICAN SLAVE TO CARRY OUT HIS DIABOLICAL "BLANKET SCHEME" :

That still doesn't explain how this Medieval biological warfare is related to Christianity IN ANY WAY.

I guess Amherst was sitting with his generals, enjoying tea and crumpets while his time machine was being detailed, when a light bulb flashed over his head (even though the light bulb wouldn't be invented for another 110 years) and said

"You know lads, I think it would be a jolly good idea to sneak onto a Spanish Ship with smallpox infected blankets before it departs Cuba for Mexico. Now it'll take 240 years, but those infected blankets will decimate almost every red & brown savage on the continent"

When his generals asked "But sir, why would we do that? For Gold? For the Glory of England? For the valuable tobacco plant? For the Queen?"

Amherst got that serious limey look in his eye and replied

"NO. We will do it for Jesus."



And you think Christians are the ones who believe in fairy tails???













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Vols&Shaft83
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Weirdly enough, the muslim areas were generally pretty open about freedom of religion for a long time








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CITWTT
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Kick both terriers in the ass, piss on the territory in front of them, then rent a Rug Doctor for the weekend.





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RCDfan1950
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Hell, C...them Terriers are like the Muslims and Christians; it'll take the Second Coming to get em on the same page.







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dontreup0321
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I'm not sure if you are referring official state religions or majority populations but regardless you are mistaken in your assessment. In the UAE, Islam is the state religion yet Christians are free to practice their beliefs. Islam is also the state religion in Egypt, yet in the recently created constitution (ratified by a Muslim Brotherhood controlled assembly no less), Christians, more specifically Copts, are free to practice their religion (there is a level of persecution that cannot be ignored). You use the term "Christian," so I'll make an argument that Christian countries do not allow the Islamic religion to be practiced. In France (arguably a Christian nation based on unofficial data) , the hijab is banned. This prevents Muslim women from following their interpretation of Quran 24:30, thus preventing them from fully practicing their religion. In Syria, the Druze population has practiced their religion free from state interference for quite some time. To classify the Druze as Muslims would be idiotic. Last I checked the sovereign state of the Vatican City doesn't let people practice Islam. I think the Vatican frowns upon people trying to build Mosques there. While there are instances of Islamic states banning the practices of other religions, to make sweeping generalizations as you have is not only inaccurate but also irresponsible. It is possible for the west to coexist with Islam, as Islamic scholars such as Muhammad Abdu and Sayyed Ahmend Khan have argued. They have embraced the idea of western modernity in Islamic societies. Islamism is the rallying device an extreme political movement has utilized to achieve nationalist objectives. Islam can coexist with the West, however the extreme perversions the Islam ideology fostered by some "Islamist" groups certainly cannot. Empirical data suggests that an overwhelming majority of Muslims do not condone the actions of the Islamic groups generally portrayed by the American media. You should do what I did. After doing pumps to Iraq and Afghanistan I observed some Muslims that didn't want to kill all infidels. This baffled me as the majority of rhetoric around the nation was geared towards the extreme nature of Muslim fundamentalists. I did a little research and discovered that most everything that had been imprinted on me was wrong. True Islam of the variety practiced by an overwhelming majority of Muslims can unequivocally coexist with "us."





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Vols&Shaft83
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I'm not sure if you are referring official state religions or majority populations but regardless you are mistaken in your assessment. In the UAE, Islam is the state religion yet Christians are free to practice their beliefs. Islam is also the state religion in Egypt, yet in the recently created constitution (ratified by a Muslim Brotherhood controlled assembly no less), Christians, more specifically Copts, are free to practice their religion (there is a level of persecution that cannot be ignored). You use the term "Christian," so I'll make an argument that Christian countries do not allow the Islamic religion to be practiced. In France (arguably a Christian nation based on unofficial data) , the hijab is banned. This prevents Muslim women from following their interpretation of Quran 24:30, thus preventing them from fully practicing their religion. In Syria, the Druze population has practiced their religion free from state interference for quite some time. To classify the Druze as Muslims would be idiotic. Last I checked the sovereign state of the Vatican City doesn't let people practice Islam. I think the Vatican frowns upon people trying to build Mosques there. While there are instances of Islamic states banning the practices of other religions, to make sweeping generalizations as you have is not only inaccurate but also irresponsible. It is possible for the west to coexist with Islam, as Islamic scholars such as Muhammad Abdu and Sayyed Ahmend Khan have argued. They have embraced the idea of western modernity in Islamic societies. Islamism is the rallying device an extreme political movement has utilized to achieve nationalist objectives. Islam can coexist with the West, however the extreme perversions the Islam ideology fostered by some "Islamist" groups certainly cannot. Empirical data suggests that an overwhelming majority of Muslims do not condone the actions of the Islamic groups generally portrayed by the American media. You should do what I did. After doing pumps to Iraq and Afghanistan I observed some Muslims that didn't want to kill all infidels. This baffled me as the majority of rhetoric around the nation was geared towards the extreme nature of Muslim fundamentalists. I did a little research and discovered that most everything that had been imprinted on me was wrong. True Islam of the variety practiced by an overwhelming majority of Muslims can unequivocally coexist with "us."












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Vegas Bengal
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I coexist with two Muslim families I'm friends with and I haven't had my head chopped off.




Yet.

They also never speak of taking up arms against the government like I see all too often on this board.






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RCDfan1950
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They also never speak of taking up arms against the government like I see all too often on this board


There ya go!. And with 1/10 of Muslims goin the Fundamentalist route, and the other 9 (your buds) "not taking up arms against their government"/ideology...that is EXACTLY why we have to.

Pacifism aint alwasy a virtue, VB. I think even the Catholic Church categorizes sin as be that of commission...and OMMISSION as well.

Tell you friends they need to police THEIR RELIGION. Do like the Mormons did. Joseph Smith wasn't perfect...and neither was Muhammod. Take care of business...or bear the consequences.







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SammyTiger
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The only evidence of the "Blanket Theory" is a few excerpts from letters between Lord Jeffrey Amherst & Colonel Henry Bouquet discussing possible means of controlling the Indians in the summer of 1763. Whether this was actually done is debatable, BUT EVEN IF THIS WAS CARRIED OUT:

Smallpox is believed to have arrived in the Americas in 1520 on a Spanish ship sailing from Cuba, carried by an infected African slave. As soon as the party landed in Mexico, the infection began, swept through the American Continent wiping out more than 90% of the Native population.

By the time Lord Amherst arrived to carry out his evil "Blanket Plan", smallpox had already done 95% of the work for him. BUT EVEN IF LORD AMHERST WAS SOMEHOW ABLE TO TRAVEL BACK IN TIME 240 YEARS AND GIVE AN INFECTED BLANKET TO AN AFRICAN SLAVE TO CARRY OUT HIS DIABOLICAL "BLANKET SCHEME" :

That still doesn't explain how this Medieval biological warfare is related to Christianity IN ANY WAY.

I guess Amherst was sitting with his generals, enjoying tea and crumpets while his time machine was being detailed, when a light bulb flashed over his head (even though the light bulb wouldn't be invented for another 110 years) and said

"You know lads, I think it would be a jolly good idea to sneak onto a Spanish Ship with smallpox infected blankets before it departs Cuba for Mexico. Now it'll take 240 years, but those infected blankets will decimate almost every red & brown savage on the continent"

When his generals asked "But sir, why would we do that? For Gold? For the Glory of England? For the valuable tobacco plant? For the Queen?"

Amherst got that serious limey look in his eye and replied

"NO. We will do it for Jesus."



And you think Christians are the ones who believe in fairy tails???


1. So it did happen
2. Smallpox was devastating but isn't what whipped all of the native americans. There are many many intentional thing the white settlers did that lead to the end of the native american.
3. While the settlers obviously wanted land, they justified their actions by calling the Indians and converted savages.
4. The 1400's weren't medieval. I just wanted to throw that out there for history.
5. Christians kill people and often us christianity to justify it.






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Zach
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Haven't read this thread... too long. But here is something about Norway and Muslims:

Norway spends 700K per Muslim

Actually, this complies with the Koran. If people in Norway don't want to have their heads chopped off they can pay tribute.






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dontreup0321
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Your assessment of the article is wrong. Norway does not spend 700k for every Muslim, but rather 700k for every Non-Western immigrant. You seem to have ignored the fact that naturalized Norwegian Muslims are in no way related to this. The aim of the Norway program isn't to appease Muslim radicals but rather to create productive members of the workforce, which according to the article have proven successful.





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SammyTiger
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Crazy right? A lot of jews went to the Ottoman Empire when they were being booted from Spain by those peaceful christians.





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Vols&Shaft83
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1. So it did happen


It may have happened, there is no definitive proof, but you go on thinking that.

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2. Smallpox was devastating but isn't what whipped all of the native americans.


Never said it claimed wiped them all out, but it did wipe the overwhelming majority of them out, over 90% before the English even tried to colonize America. The first English colony, Jamestown, by sheer dumb luck, barely survived.


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There are many many intentional thing the white settlers did that lead to the end of the native american.


Certainly, and if you read a book once in awhile, you'd notice that the Indians were not the friendly peace loving environmentalists you see in the Disney movies.

Do some research about how the Vikings spent 500 years trying to settle in the East Coast of America (yes, the VIKINGS, tried to settle in America in 1005.) They discovered America half a century before Christopher Columbus.

After spending a couple decades sneaking ashore to raid Vineland (What we now call America) of its ample wood pulp, the vikings made a go of settling North America in 1005.

After landing there with livestock, supplies and between 100 and 300 settlers, they set up the first successful European American colony ... for two years. And then the Native Americans kicked their arse out of the country, shooting the head viking in the heart with an arrow.


So to recap, the vikings discovered America. They were camping off the coast of America, and had every reason to settle America for about 500 years. Despite being the biggest badasses in European history, one tangle with the natives was enough to convince the vikings that settling America wasn't worth the trouble. THE MOTHER frickING VIKINGS were afraid the Natives.

But moving along

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3. While the settlers obviously wanted land, they justified their actions by calling the Indians and converted savages.


Where on earth are you getting this information? I'd shoot the source in the head if I were you. The motivation was greed, pure and simple.

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4. The 1400's weren't medieval. I just wanted to throw that out there for history.


Ok, I'll give you that one

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5. Christians kill people and often us christianity to justify it.



Yeah, it's an epidemic. That's the reason we all take our shoes off and get groped at the airport, the Christians

Crazy people kill people and occasionally they use Christianity to justify it, how well does that defense work in a court of law? You could have a jury of some of the most radically devout Christians in America, and that defense wouldn't pass the fricking laugh test.





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SammyTiger
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Certainly, and if you read a book once in awhile, you'd notice that the Indians were not the friendly peace loving environmentalists you see in the Disney movies.

Do some research about how the Vikings spent 500 years trying to settle in the East Coast of America (yes, the VIKINGS, tried to settle in America in 1005.) They discovered America half a century before Christopher Columbus.

After spending a couple decades sneaking ashore to raid Vineland (What we now call America) of its ample wood pulp, the vikings made a go of settling North America in 1005.

After landing there with livestock, supplies and between 100 and 300 settlers, they set up the first successful European American colony ... for two years. And then the Native Americans kicked their arse out of the country, shooting the head viking in the heart with an arrow.


So to recap, the vikings discovered America. They were camping off the coast of America, and had every reason to settle America for about 500 years. Despite being the biggest badasses in European history, one tangle with the natives was enough to convince the vikings that settling America wasn't worth the trouble. THE MOTHER frickING VIKINGS were afraid the Natives.

But moving along


I read cracked too, but you know who is a bigger bad arse than a viking? Anyone with a gun. If you think white settlers and the US government didn't actively try and kill indians good indian wars and the trail of tears. Your sorta a moron.
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Where on earth are you getting this information? I'd shoot the source in the head if I were you. The motivation was greed, pure and simple.


The National Humanities Center?

Greed is a huge drive, but it helps when you dehumanize the people you are robbing.
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Yeah, it's an epidemic. That's the reason we all take our shoes off and get groped at the airport, the Christians

Crazy people kill people and occasionally they use Christianity to justify it, how well does that defense work in a court of law? You could have a jury of some of the most radically devout Christians in America, and that defense wouldn't pass the fricking laugh test.


1. What are you talking about? A legal defense against what charge? A court of law wouldn't really be ruling on whether or not we should judge 23% of the world population by its most evil members.

2. Why would I pitch a "hey don't judge muslims because christians frick up too" to the most devout christians? that doesn't even make sense.

3. My whole argument isn't that some muslims aren't dangerous and not that islam doesn't have a problem. It is that this is a very big group of people you are lumping together. It makes as much sense to lump all muslims as it does all christians.






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SammyTiger
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Certainly, and if you read a book once in awhile, you'd notice that the Indians were not the friendly peace loving environmentalists you see in the Disney movies.

Do some research about how the Vikings spent 500 years trying to settle in the East Coast of America (yes, the VIKINGS, tried to settle in America in 1005.) They discovered America half a century before Christopher Columbus.

After spending a couple decades sneaking ashore to raid Vineland (What we now call America) of its ample wood pulp, the vikings made a go of settling North America in 1005.

After landing there with livestock, supplies and between 100 and 300 settlers, they set up the first successful European American colony ... for two years. And then the Native Americans kicked their arse out of the country, shooting the head viking in the heart with an arrow.


So to recap, the vikings discovered America. They were camping off the coast of America, and had every reason to settle America for about 500 years. Despite being the biggest badasses in European history, one tangle with the natives was enough to convince the vikings that settling America wasn't worth the trouble. THE MOTHER frickING VIKINGS were afraid the Natives.

But moving along


I read cracked too, but you know who is a bigger bad arse than a viking? Anyone with a gun. If you think white settlers and the US government didn't actively try and kill indians good indian wars and the trail of tears. Your sorta a moron.
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Where on earth are you getting this information? I'd shoot the source in the head if I were you. The motivation was greed, pure and simple.


The National Humanities Center?

Greed is a huge drive, but it helps when you dehumanize the people you are robbing.
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Yeah, it's an epidemic. That's the reason we all take our shoes off and get groped at the airport, the Christians

Crazy people kill people and occasionally they use Christianity to justify it, how well does that defense work in a court of law? You could have a jury of some of the most radically devout Christians in America, and that defense wouldn't pass the fricking laugh test.


1. What are you talking about? A legal defense against what charge? A court of law wouldn't really be ruling on whether or not we should judge 23% of the world population by its most evil members.

2. Why would I pitch a "hey don't judge muslims because christians frick up too" to the most devout christians? that doesn't even make sense.

3. My whole argument isn't that some muslims aren't dangerous and not that islam doesn't have a problem. It is that this is a very big group of people you are lumping together. It makes as much sense to lump all muslims as it does all christians.






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Vols&Shaft83
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I read cracked too, but you know who is a bigger bad arse than a viking? Anyone with a gun. If you think white settlers and the US government didn't actively try and kill indians good indian wars and the trail of tears. Your sorta a moron.


Cracked is fun, you can also find that info in your local library. And again, this has what to do with religion? You're sort of a moron.


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The National Humanities Center? Greed is a huge drive, but it helps when you dehumanize the people you are robbing.


I didn't mention tactics, I said "MOTIVATION". Dehumanizing the people you are robbing is not motivation, it's a way of justifying your actions. Still waiting on the religious motive.

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1. What are you talking about? A legal defense against what charge? A court of law wouldn't really be ruling on whether or not we should judge 23% of the world population by its most evil members.


If a crazy guy shoots an abortion clinic doctor, and claims he was doing the "Lord's Work", he's punished by the courts of law, and the court of public opinion. He's openly condemned in PUBLIC by 99.9% of the Christian faith because killing in the name of God is wrong, PERIOD.

If a 2 crazy Muslims butcher a young soldier, and Father btw, in broad daylight and then praise Allah and do a victory dance, where is the open condemnation from the Muslim community? There's a few saying, "hey that's not us", but where is the action to get control of these frickers?

Our own media can't even bring themselves to say "Terrorist" because they're scared they are going to be killed for telling the truth. Where were the peaceful, logical Muslims when Trey Parker and Matt Stone received thousands of death threats for their "image of Muhammad" south park episode? And when American Muslims were throwing bricks and plotting to blow up their studious?

Where was the rational Muslim community to defend their right to free speech when Comedy Central made a public apology and refused to ever air that episode again, and then subsequently sued them for making fun of Comedy central's pussy arse cowardice?

Where were they? NOT A frickING ONE SPOKE UP. Tolerant and logical people? MY frickING BALLS.



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3. My whole argument isn't that some muslims aren't dangerous and not that islam doesn't have a problem. It is that this is a very big group of people you are lumping together. It makes as much sense to lump all muslims as it does all christians.



Yeah, there are plenty of Muslims who don't kill people, they aren't all taking the Qaran literally, THANK XENU, but none of them want to do anything to change the behavior of the most radical among them.
They wanna feel like equals, they can stop being so fricking sensitive that everyone has walk on eggshells around them to avoid being beheaded. They can start by taking some action when these guys frick up, instead of saying "that's not all Muslims guys, come on" and expecting us to just accept their half hearted apology. Till that happens, I will continue to openly mock the sensitive Muslim community and you, the white man with a guilty conscious.






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