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reddittiger
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Has science shown you how you came to exist?


If you mean our species, yes. The mechanisms of natural selection are well understood. If you mean reality in general, no. However, the question of the origin of the forces responsible for our reality can be also be applied to your god. You have to start down either road assuming that the force/creator is eternal. I think its far more likely that non-sentient eternal forces led to the physics that dictate our reality, than that an eternal angry old man created the entire universe, mostly dark, cold and devoid of life, so that he might be worshiped by a few intelligent primates.






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reddittiger
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There are lots of areas of science based on assumptions just because people who have spent their whole lives studying can't come up with any conceivable reason why it happens. Cellular biology, even molecular biology and especially events in medicine... "Some" things do happen without explanation or in our scope of reason/reality. Talk to any oncologist, any pediatric surgeon.


I challenge you to find one instance in history where the solution to a problem turned out to be "magic". The deficiencies in understanding of cellular function and disease processes that you cite are simply the product of things we don't understand YET. To paraphrase a famous physicist, 'if your argument for god is the things we don't understand yet, then your god is a dwindling pocket of scientific ignorance.'

Also, atheism is not a choice. It is the default setting for every human on the planet. Religion must be indoctrinated. Kind of like circumcision, if your parents waited until you were 21 to tell you about it, you probably wouldn't be interested.



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I'm no geek. I'm actually a former high school athlete and veteran that served in Afghanistan as a non-commissioned officer. I have been on my own since I was 17 and I owned three houses (2 rentals) by the time I was 26. I have two degrees, 3 beautiful children, a smoking hot (atheist) wife and am currently in medical school after leaving a career at the Dept of the Treasury to pursue my dream of being a physician. I am known for being arrogant, but I'm also extremely well liked and well known in my hometown and enjoy immense respect among my peers. Arrogance is hard to avoid when you've had the kind of social, athletic, financial, and academic success that I've enjoyed. I do not mean to brag, but your attack on my character demands rebuttal. I've known people like you my whole life... You have very strong opinions born of complete ignorance of the world. You attack me personally instead of attacking my arguments. You react emotionally because, deep down, you're scared and don't understand what's going on around you. You're the guy who tries to make fun of people who use "big words". You're what's wrong with humanity.


Lulz, I feel like I just read someones self created Wikipedia page.






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Respublica88
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And do we know the limits to our physical world? You cannot say with any scientific certainty that all things fall into a man-made set of rules and laws. You say logic can't change, less than 400 years ago, we thought basic logic was that the earth was flat. Less than 200 years ago, we were just discovering what cells were. Logic is constantly being redefined and physical laws reset. Nothing you study is concrete. The medicines you use today will be obsolete in 50 years. The only constant we know in this every changing world is that we don't know and cannot accurately predict every single event. No matter how many trials you run.

I believe that in this uncertain world; the consistent non changing variable is that there is a God. I can't prove, but I believe it bc I have done my research, I have had my doubts and I have seen where science fails. You can't prove me wrong because the very things you choose to believe are constantly changing. Today's logic is tomorrow history lesson.






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Respublica88
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Of course atheism is a choice. So is religion. You're born into this world with a blank canvas, I agree. But you "choose" to fill it with what you believe. Sure geography has its influence and often is a deciding factor, but inevitably it's on you( albeit a 12 year old for you specifically) to choose what and who you are.

You chose success, you chose atheism. You chose medicine. I chose many of the same things, except I choose to believe in something bigger than I can read or bigger than some person can think up. I don't know the boundaries to those beliefs, but I know they're there and my own.

And sure that's influence by other people, but so is yours. You're not that different, you and me



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reddittiger


you're cool in my book. shake the haters






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tiggerthetooth
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Prayers sent for you Paige.





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tiggerthetooth
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The deficiencies in understanding of cellular function and disease processes that you cite are simply the product of things we don't understand YET.



You are assuming we will understand them, this isn't a valid point. Argument lost.

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Also, atheism is not a choice. It is the default setting for every human on the planet. Religion must be indoctrinated. Kind of like circumcision, if your parents waited until you were 21 to tell you about it, you probably wouldn't be interested.



How is Atheism the "default" setting? Are you telling me that you know without any doubt that every person on this earth has absolutely NO internal intuition of a creator/ all-knowing entity?

This is a totally absurd statement, and a hasty generalization.

Its obvious all the arguments you make are simply arguments that are not right considering logic, but simply arguments you use to validate yourself as somehow "more intelligible" than others who may believe in some "non-scientific" explanation.

The funny thing is science was practically founded based on religious beliefs, yet everyone seems so convinced its entirely separate. Every major scientific finding in history is closely related to religion and explored alongside religious principles from ancient texts.

You really think religion is that simple and shallow, yet somehow its lasted for almost the entire existence of man? How also absurd of you to think. You sound overly into yourself and it spills over into your arguments.






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tiggerthetooth
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Atheism is not a belief system and atheist don't have uniform principles. We simply don't believe in gods.

Regarding my belief in scientific principles... Science works: planes fly, computers compute, medicine medicates. I can trust the principles of science because, unlike mythology, they can be reconciled with reality.


Yet you seem to have no idea about how scientific principles were founded.

Science came about as a result to try and explain our existence in the world, and why things move and react with one another in the way that they do. The earliest scientific/mathematical principles from the Greeks were all focused around their religious beliefs. Look it up. From there science has evolved over the centuries.



Do you understand anything about theoretical science? Much of science is based on theoretical principles, for instance atoms, although we cannot observe them, we assume their properties, and how they are composed of neutrons, electrons and protons. If science is so SURE and certain as you so proudly believe, then why is a large part of it based on things that are physically unprovable?



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lsunurse
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Scary thing is he is in med school. I really hope he learns some humility and compassion so he can have a decent bedside manner instead of looking down on his patients that are Christians.





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Respublica88
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It is impossible to be a good physician(in my book) without empathy and humility.

Sometimes those are the only two things I think I have going for me.



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I agree. One of the reasons I love working in pediatrics. Most pediatricians I've worked with have hearts of gold and are usually very respectful of nurses as well.

Rudest doctors tend to be surgeons imo, some cannot get over their overinflated egos. Although I've met many that were very nice as well.






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Respublica88
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I think surgeons can be and Definitely seem a little over-confident. As much as that is necessary(confidence), I stand by my principles.




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tiggerthetooth
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While understanding of history, sociology, psychology, and science play a part in my complete disdain for faith


So you look to other faulty and error-prone men as your "foundation" for belief?

DId you ever background check any of the sources you look to for truth and understanding? Was there ever a point in which these people you draw from were wrong?

If they were ever wrong at any point, then how can you possibly believe without a doubt that they are right in that particular instance?

You look to men who are flesh and bone as you are, who will die as you will, who suffer as you do, who make thousands of mistakes as you do. Why should their word be taken over the words of any others?

In an atheistic world what determines right from wrong? How can you truly explain the reason you would get married to your wife? Why do you think you or any else exists?

Why is it our nature to help one another, sacrifice for one another?

Any possible scenario that you think of to validate your beliefs in a non-theistic world, I can throw scenarios that debunk it.

And in all honesty, how do you even know you are experiencing anything physical at all?
How do you know there isn't some being that sits in a big room, and has your brain in vat, and simply stimulates particular areas that make the feeling of being alive, eating, sleeping, going to work etc.?

You forget that you are a simple human with only but two eyes than can't even see one mile down a road and yet you seem think you are on top of the deepest question of existential and epistemological nature.

You are a blip of an existence. Would you expect an ant to know the entire layout of one city?

You just need to admit you don't know, and neither does anyone else. It is as simple as that. Thats when the real truth to me comes in the form of the things you believe, not from logic or physical laws.

Anyone can tell you about "seeing things into existence", visualizing an event, and making it happen.

If what you say is true and physical laws govern our world, then visualizing does not a damn thing.

Also, how would attitude play a role physically speaking? Explain to me about the effects of attitude and love on the physical world using your logic and 100% certain without a doubt science?




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tiggerthetooth
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Scary thing is he is in med school. I really hope he learns some humility and compassion so he can have a decent bedside manner instead of looking down on his patients that are Christians.


Yep, this is not the first future doctor I've met with...well I guess I would call it bad people skills.

Why would his dream be being a doctor, but totally profiles and holds prejudices against his patients?

I'm sure you've experienced it, but a BIG issue with healthcare these days is simple communication between the doctor and patients.

So many cases where the doctors just can't get to the patients' level, and sometimes can't understand the patient, or the patient doesn't trust the doctor etc.

This is where treatments go wrong with diagnoses, wrong medications, getting scans that are totally unnecessary, miscommunications can result in a wealth of issues.


I sincerely hope anyone who isn't going to help people and care about them fails out miserably.






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Respublica88
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I don't hope he fails out at all. I just hope he is as good an actor for his patients as he is rooted deeply in his beliefs. I can't fault him for feeling the way he does and Id be lying if I didn't express some similar feelings at some point. But to answer the thread again, we are all entitled to our own opinions and have a right to defend them. People post prayer threads bc they can and whatever other reasons are moot points at best.




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tiggerthetooth
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I don't hope he fails out at all. I just hope he is as good an actor for his patients as he is rooted deeply in his beliefs. I can't fault him for feeling the way he does and Id be lying if I didn't express some similar feelings at some point. But to answer the thread again, we are all entitled to our own opinions and have a right to defend them. People post prayer threads bc they can and whatever other reasons are moot points at best.


I don't say that at him in particular because there is always a chance for change. Considering his self-proclaimed successes maybe he never had a moment where things were taken from him, or he didn't get what he wanted that put him in the position to search deeper. I doubt it. I just think the first step is admitting you are simply a human being, and your perspective and sight is limited into the things that are coming. If physics were entirely true, then I assume we could predict the future a lot better than we do. Hell, even the weather man is wrong fairly often. I thought they used science there!






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Respublica88
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Lol. If any weather man was right more than half the time, he would run The Weather Channel.

Do no harm--- (paraphrased) first rule of medicine dated back thousands of years. It would be hard to do any good if you cannot reach your patient on a physical and emotional level of trust.






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tiggerthetooth
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Do no harm--- (paraphrased) first rule of medicine dated back thousands of years. It would be hard to do any good if you cannot reach your patient on a physical and emotional level of trust.


Absolutely. Doctors are given great power, and as Uncle Ben (from Spider-man) will tell you, with great power, comes great responsibility. I guess the lack of responsibility is what could be keeping the world busy and fulfilling anyways. We need to fight evil (of health, relationships, mental states etc.) to give life purpose. But that is an entirely new and probably never-ending philosophical debate.






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Sho Nuff
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What I'd truly like to understand is why do some of you care?

There are thousands of threads on these boards. There is absolutely NOTHING that makes you or any of the other "cool kids club" click on a particular thread. You guys want to go in and then you get mad for seeing exactly what you knew you'd see.

I don't pray. I find it kind of silly when I see a bunch of people saying "prayers sent" because I don't believe many of them are doing it and it just sounds funny.

BUT, if someone wants to post 1 thread about his life and update others on it, who do care to know, then I say go for it. I will never post anything too personal about my life on here and it's partly because of pathetic people like the ones that got in on Respublica's thread. E-sleuths who think they're "so cool".

A bunch of nerds who got bullied and now figured a way that they can in turn bully back. The internets! Not one of you would say the things you say on here to a person's face. There are a lot of cowards in here.

Thankfully, there's a lot of good and funny things on here outside of the cool kids club. And from reading his posts, Respublica sounds like a really good guy with a sad story. Aren't the people who shite on him and his thread so proud?






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