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Respublica88
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re: Why do people start prayer threads on the OT?


Are you in medical school?





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reddittiger
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So God dreamed up by man doesn't exist, but atheist principles and beliefs do?

If you can say with full confidence one way, how can you not for the other ?


Atheism is not a belief system and atheist don't have uniform principles. We simply don't believe in gods.

Regarding my belief in scientific principles... Science works: planes fly, computers compute, medicine medicates. I can trust the principles of science because, unlike mythology, they can be reconciled with reality.






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WDE24
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you have probably never even examined your own belief
You don't lack in confidence in even your baseless assumptions.

You are far from correct. You being an atheist doesn't bother me either. I certainly understand how someone would reach that conclusion. Your arrogance and condescension though aren't coming from a place of intellectual honesty regarding theology and makes me believe there is actually a much more personal reason for your anger.



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GRTiger
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you have probably never even examined your own belief.


Nope, only your 12 year old self has done that. You are wise decades beyond your years. Another notch on the belt of this very unique OT baller.






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BeeFense5
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Nope, only your 12 year old self has done that. You are wise decades beyond your years. Another notch on the belt of this very unique OT baller.


This moron is one of those geeks that reads immature religious mocking memes online all day and he thinks it makes him qualified to insult and put down people of faith.

Anyone with simple intelligence can read through all the self superiority and big word bull shite language this dude tries to impress people with.






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Respublica88
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Except when they don't ... There are lots of areas of science based on assumptions just because people who have spent their whole lives studying can't come up with any conceivable reason why it happens. Cellular biology, even molecular biology and especially events in medicine... "Some" things do happen without explanation or in our scope of reason/reality. Talk to any oncologist, any pediatric surgeon.

Also.. Atheism itself is a choice just like religion. And like religion you're only uniform principle is to not believe in God or gods.






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Vols&Shaft83
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Anyone with simple intelligence can read through all the self superiority and big word bull shite language this dude tries to impress people with. 


I'm pretty sure he hasn't impressed anybody ITT






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PBnJ
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Why do people start prayer threads on the OT?


Probably for the same reason you whore yourself out on a message board. Both seek validation & comfort in strangers.

At least people who start prayer threads are genuine. You could learn something.






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reddittiger
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Your arrogance and condescension though aren't coming from a place of intellectual honesty regarding theology and makes me believe there is actually a much more personal reason for your anger.


My lack of faith did not originate from personal experience. I live a very good life. If I were religious, I'd surely say I was blessed.
However, religious belief affects me personally.

I've gone to war due to religion and lost friends in that war (was already atheist). One of my best childhood friends is gay and his ability to live his life freely is hindered by religious belief. The party of small government has been hijacked by evangelicals and become an extension of the Christian church. Christians are using their power as a voting block to degrade science and social studies education curricula, and to impose archaic religious principles on the general population of free country. Medical research is hindered by beliefs that cannot be supported outside of belief in mythology. I could go on and on...

I do not hate god any more than you hate Santa Clause. I am a true non-believer. One cannot hate something that doesn't exist. I do find the god defined by your religion to be despicable, but only in the way that I would think a villain in any other work of fiction is despicable, only other fan clubs don't try to affect govt policy.

I dislike and disdain those that believe in things without evidence. I know from simple observation and study of history that the notion that there is something larger and more important than humanity is inherently dangerous. Just imagine that, for the sake of argument, Islam became the majority religion in America... How would you feel if your life was affected by their ridiculous religious doctrine? Would you stand idly by, or would you take a stand and point out the fallacy in their beliefs?

There are two things you might consider: 1. Your religion is a product of geography. If you'd have been born in India, you'd be Hindu. Iran, Muslum. 2. There are other 2500 purported deities. I simply believe in one less than you.



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crimsonsaint
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Regarding my belief in scientific principles... Science works: planes fly, computers compute, medicine medicates. I can trust the principles of science because, unlike mythology, they can be reconciled with reality.


Has science shown you how you came to exist?






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RTOTA
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Science is not something to put faith in, by the very definition of faith. That being said, none of the current religions or beliefs throughout history have presented any real evidence for their validity. Therefore, I don't believe any of them. If anyone could provide any evidence for a particular god, or even a logical argument for one, I would be all ears. Until then, I will continue to think of all religion the same way believers think about all the faiths other than their own: bull shite.

ETA: The bible, or any other religious text, does not count as evidence of God



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Respublica88
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re: Why do people start prayer threads on the OT?


What would count as evidence against Him(His existence)


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Scruffy
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Well, Scruffy isn't surprised this turned into a Religion debate thread.







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reddittiger
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This moron is one of those geeks that reads immature religious mocking memes online all day and he thinks it makes him qualified to insult and put down people of faith.

Anyone with simple intelligence can read through all the self superiority and big word bull shite language this dude tries to impress people with.



I'm no geek. I'm actually a former high school athlete and veteran that served in Afghanistan as a non-commissioned officer. I have been on my own since I was 17 and I owned three houses (2 rentals) by the time I was 26. I have two degrees, 3 beautiful children, a smoking hot (atheist) wife and am currently in medical school after leaving a career at the Dept of the Treasury to pursue my dream of being a physician. I am known for being arrogant, but I'm also extremely well liked and well known in my hometown and enjoy immense respect among my peers. Arrogance is hard to avoid when you've had the kind of social, athletic, financial, and academic success that I've enjoyed.

I do not mean to brag, but your attack on my character demands rebuttal. I've known people like you my whole life... You have very strong opinions born of complete ignorance of the world. You attack me personally instead of attacking my arguments. You react emotionally because, deep down, you're scared and don't understand what's going on around you. You're the guy who tries to make fun of people who use "big words". You're what's wrong with humanity.






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RTOTA
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"Him" means a lot of different things to a lot of different people and cultures. How do you know your definition is correct?

Because of your faith, no logical argument or scientific evidence that would contradict the teaching of your belief will be accepted. Basically, you are at a forgone conclusion without even thinking about why you have that conclusion, and refusing to really consider anything different.

As some would say, "Extradordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."






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reddittiger
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What would count as evidence against Him(His existence)


Reality simply doesn't reconcile with the bible. There are very easily understood reasons for the rise and spread of Christianity (insert any religion), and it can be fully explained by sociopolitical forces. Nothing was written about christ while he was alive, nor did "the son of god" write anything himself. There are no mentions of "Yeshua"(Jesus) until two generations after his birth. That means that all the stories of miracles had been circulating by word of mouth for 70+ years before someone decided to write it down. Its no surprise that no two gospel accounts are the same. Did god really choose to be a carpenter in a small desert town for thirty years, then spend three years preaching in the immediate vicinity of that town, despite the fact that there was an advanced civilization in China, and millions of people in Africa, Europe, and the Americas? C'mon... That's ridiculous.

The bible was compiled arbitrarily and the final product was chosen by vote, not divine providence. Even now, there are sects within christianity that disagree and use different versions of the bible and teach differing doctrines. The KJV of the bible was written by a few politically motivated subjects of the King of England, using copies of copies of copies(all of which feature numerous differences in content) of manuscripts that were subsequently misinterpreted in multiple places. Books have been added and removed, doctrine changed drastically. The original church founders even disagreed passionately on the divinity of jesus. I find it hard to believe that the one true benevolent god would chose to reveal his truth in a desert backwoods village, and despite the fact that the salvation of billions of eternal souls depended on hearing it, just let it spread by word of mouth in a way that neglected 4/5's of the population of the planet.

Your god is self-contradictory and is exactly the kind of god that ancient tribal herdsmen and farmers would create. Religious feelings are understood neurologically and can be replicated in the lab. I could go on and on, but just think of how of how you view every other religion in the world, and then realize that I simply feel that way about yours. Your mythology cannot be meaningfully separated from any other ancient mythology. I was born atheist, I had to be indoctrinated with religion, dependent wholly on geography and the religion of my parents, not divine truth.





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Respublica88
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It would be typical of you to make assumptions since that's all your arguments are predicated on. You said the bible wasn't evidence... Okay.. I can't argue against that( at least not to earn your respect). And the majority of all Christian faith( the center of this entire discussion) has a male omnificent figure as its the head of its central dogma.

Your statement provoked my thought: if the bible isn't a reliable source, then how can anything you read and chose to believe or not believe be considered credible?

And logical science is an oxymoron bc isn't the goal of every scientist to prove data wrong or verify its correctness? Thereby defying or redefining logic?



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Respublica88
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So you're an athlete with kids, clearly happy and got everything going for you. What's your logic(there goes that word again) for trying to answer this thread ?

In any event, you indirectly answered my question about medical school. I wish you good luck on your last tests of the semester and if you are preparing for boards, I hope your preparation and study skills will lead to your desired score. That's an awful lot of distractions for a future doctor(houses, wife and three kids) ! Good luck sir!






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337tigergirl
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re: Why do people start prayer threads on the OT?


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The OT has the well deserved reputation of being full of a-holes, a great many of whom profess to not even believe in God

If you are truly seeking prayer then why not go find a message board of prayer warriors? As opposed to receiving a bunch of "prayers sent" posts

I just would really like to understand the logic behind it

I hear you and I've honestly wondered about this.

I just like to keep my life private from this board as I lean on my friends and family for help during hard times. But if random people from the internet's prayers and thoughts can help someone or give them a outlet during hard times, to each their own. I just don't click on the thread. The OT is a bunch of wanna be hard asses but probably irl they are all normal people that can be compassionate. shite it seems like most of these people don't converse with people outside of the internet since they basically live on here. But to each their own and there are a good number of great people IRL on this site.






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reddittiger
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And logical science is an oxymoron bc isn't the goal of every scientist to prove data wrong or verify its correctness? Thereby defying or redefining logic?


No. Logic is dictated by physics. Patterns arise from the physical rules that govern our reality. The goal of science is to find the truth underlying those patterns, and the best way to do that is to challenge every assumption until efforts to disprove it have been exhausted. While our interpretation or understanding of that underlying natural logic may change with our expanding knowledge and development of new ways to quantify and study natural phenomena, the physics, the logic, remains the same. When our interpretation of the data(reality) is able to predict natural and experimental outcomes with certainty and precision, it's accepted as "logical" because it agrees with the logic of the universe. Science is a product of observation and experimentation, not conjecture. The products of science have validity because they work.






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