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About the Pelicans Cap Space for Next Season and Beyond


I know this was discussed recently but I can't find the the thread. And, personally, I've come up with all sorts of numbers, none of which I have a lot of faith in.

So for you salary and cap gurus, here's what it looks like to me . . . going forward we'll have AD,EG, Ryno, Vasguez and Rivers guaranteed money at about $32MM. Lopez, JSmiht, Roberts, DMiller and Lance Thomas are not guaranteed at about $8-9MM. If all stay, which I doubt, that looks like $41MM.

So where does that put us for this next season? Who is likely a goner? What do we really have to work with moneywise? And I guess we need to keep the following season in mind.

My head hurts, so I'd appreciate some educated analyses or even guesses.







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I was considering pulling something together this week.

I'll reserve comment until I can give a complete answer, which will take maybe a week, other than to say that the Pelicans will have more flexibility than the Hornets ever had in New Orleans. They have the ability to do one of those "add Tyson and Peja" sort of summers. You may not like the choices, but that was still a good deal of flexibility.

In short, it will have the potential to be the most awesome or awful offseason, bar none.






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Whodatforlife21
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I expect Roberts, Smith, and Miller to start the season off with us, and if we don't need a guy like Roberts or Miller we can release them during the year before it becomes fully guaranteed





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we can sign a max-ish guy this year or next. we have team options on lopez the next 2 years, which gives us flexibility

brian roberts/darius miller are FAs after next year. the Gilbert Arenas Rule should allow us to keep one of them, but that would likely eliminate the cap room to get a max guy

AFA has to be renounced







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re: About the Pelicans Cap Space for Next Season and Beyond


There are some confusion on the details in these posts.





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Don't forget the draft pick which should command a healthy 3 mil.





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quote:

There are some confusion on the details in these posts.

which?






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TigerinATL
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brian roberts/darius miller are FAs after next year. the Gilbert Arenas Rule should allow us to keep one of them


So you're expecting one or both of them to play so well that they get a better than MLE offer from someone? That would be fantastic if they both got so good we could only afford to keep one, but I think you're jumping the gun a bit. Maybe that's what 42 was talking about because you throwing the Arenas rule around in connection to these 2 seems a bit crazy.






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There's that. The dates are a little wrong. Not sure why anyone has to be renounced. For what? He can be, and it would be necessary for some things to come to fruition, I assume. I assume that Henry would have to be as well.

Little things.

It's confusing, especially with no numbers to help it make sense.






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AFA has to be renounced


Totally disagree. At the right price, AFA could provide awesome value and provide distinct skills to your rotations. He's not a starter, though.






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Agree there.

I have fallen in with the $3m version of the Jason Smith deal.

I can imagine plans that would require him to be renounced, I suppose.






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At the right price, AFA could provide awesome value and provide distinct skills to your rotations.


That's true, but the price has to be very "right".






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Jester
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Also, renouncing him probably means you blow your load this year in a weak free agent crop. Unless we are making a serious play for CP3, there is no good reason to renounce AFA. I have no issue with renouncing Henry, though.





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That's true, but the price has to be very "right".


That statement holds true for 95% of the players in the league. In fact, ignoring that rule even for the biggest superstars is pretty dangerous.






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teke184
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brian roberts/darius miller are FAs after next year. the Gilbert Arenas Rule should allow us to keep one of them, but that would likely eliminate the cap room to get a max guy


I doubt Miller will be good enough to get serious offers as an RFA.

Roberts, though, will likely get someone to pay him if he continues to out-perform his $800K contract.


As far as renouncing guys, we only need to do that if we make a play for someone and need the room.

I see no need to renounce Aminu immediately, though renouncing Henry makes more sense. He has a cap hold of around $3.2m, equal to the option we declined, and I don't see us bringing him back or someone else wanting to do a sign-and-trade for him.






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Also, renouncing him probably means you blow your load this year in a weak free agent crop. Unless we are making a serious play for CP3, there is no good reason to renounce AFA.


The only other FA I could see making a play for which requires renouncing AFA would be Pekovic, as we have to clear room to make an RFA tender to him.

I don't see anyone else we'd pick up that would require us to clear the $4m+ we're holding for AFA.






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The only other FA I could see making a play for which requires renouncing AFA would be Pekovic, as we have to clear room to make an RFA tender to him.

I don't see anyone else we'd pick up that would require us to clear the $4m+ we're holding for AFA.


That's my opinion, as well. You don't have to play every hand.






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"add Tyson and Peja" sort of summers


great summer

2008 was a disaster when we added posey just for the sake of adding the "missing piece"






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I think I'd like to keep Roberts. He might have "ex-hornet" potential.

By that I mean him leaving and doing well somewhere else. Everyone knows about the "ex hornets in the playoffs" thread. I don't want to see it happen again. Obviously he should not be a starter for us (much like big balls Belli should not have been). But I can see Roberts being a solid bench guy on a deep team, which we will need if we want to get to the next level with teams like Chicago, Memphis, SA, etc.






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SlowFlowPro
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It's confusing, especially with no numbers to help it make sense.

That's what I was using

it's not gospel, but it's typically accurate

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Not sure why anyone has to be renounced. For what?

to sign a max-ish guy. if we pick up lopez's option we'll be at around $39M in salary. roberts/miller bump that past $40M. that puts us in a pickle with AFA. i mean if we can get him for $1M per then we don't have to renounce him, but $3-5M will eliminate the ability to sign a max-ish guy (assuming we keep lopez)







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