quote:and because of the 8 yards you believed he recieved while being covered by KV, this is evidence that he "shut him down" and that the whole game they tried to get the ball to tavon austin but kenny vaccaro was on him the whole time, patted down several passes, and made TA a non factor. which clearly explains why KV had zero passed defended in that game and TA had 100 yards recieving.
But pretend that Lenny was up to the task, and shut Levon down.
quote:now you're either bordering on delusion, didn't watch the game, or both. why would one wr, (who had 10 catches and 100 yards recieving) who was according to you "shut down" cause the qb to be totally lost and hold on to the ball too long? They apparently only have one WR at WVU, and no running game whatsoever? if you watched the game, and not the highlights, you'd know UT's dline dominated wvu start to finish, which lowered EVERY offensive players stats for the game.
Pretend that Lenny's blanketing directly impacted Levon's QB holding into the ball too long waiting for Levon to get open and it directly resulted in two sack-fumbles and at least two punts.
Then imagine asking knowledgeable football fans on a message board used to trolling if they have serious concerns about his cover skills translating to NFL receivers "significantly faster" than Lenny.
How bout I ask a different question. Find a pass intended for TA while being covered by KV that was catchable but successfully defended by KV. just one.
quote:no, they gameplanned around KV from the start. i dont have time to look for examples through the entire game, but there were more than enough in the highlight reels for texas and for WV.
That says to me KV's coverage was so good that the QB was scared/smart enough to not throw it his way. If the QB is not throwing towards Vacarro he will not get chances to bat the ball or pick it.
quote:Again, your dumbass saying this is a compliment to KV.
no, they gameplanned around KV from the start.
quote:if the rest of the defense was good, then yes it would be. Except the rest of the defense was fricking garbage. Thus, they use the one player KV will be matched up on as a decoy, and use the rest of their offense to win the game. therefore, saying a player being used as a decoy was "shut down" by another player is fricking moronic. what part of that do you not understand?
Again, your dumbass saying this is a compliment to KV.
quote:is he talking about this play at 2:20?because TV beat him easily and it went for the first.
On those snaps in man coverage, I only saw Austin come open once; catching an out in the fourth quarter on third-and-11 for eight yards.
The remaining 14 times Vaccaro covered the slot receiver, Austin was only targeted three times. (if you dont understand why this in no way means KV's coverage was that actual reason for the lack of targets, then I cannot help you)One of these plays was a crossing route where Vaccaro didn’t bite on Austin’s double move and forced Smith to throw the ball wide of the target. Smith was sacked five times and lost two fumbles on plays where Vaccaro had man coverage on Austin. (once again, the author seems to imply the vaccaro's single handedly amazing coverage resulted in five sacks. WATCH THE frickING FILM AND QUIT POSTING ARTICLES. half the fricking game smith was under pressure, or even already sacked within A SECOND of the ball being snapped, but oh yeah, they were coverage sacks
When the first half was over, West Virgina knew it had to work away from Vaccaro and they began using shovel passes where they motioned Austin towards the formation. The Texas safety still had responsibility for Austin on both of these "targets," tackling Austin after an eight-yard gain on one. The other resulted in a four-yard loss thanks to the defensive line. The rest of the attempts Austin received were on routes where the offense targeted him away from Vaccaro’s zone.
quote:I see you didn't wait long to put your homerism on full display. Vaccarro actually covered him about as well as a db can, but your description of that play is pretty absurd. a)austin had KV (barely) beat to the inside, if it's a perfect pass it's complete b)the ball hit austin in the hands, and KV's hands were never anywhere near austin's face or the ball and c)more important than either of those, GS had to get rid of the bal after about a second and a half because he was about to be decapitated. You honestly think if smith gets ore time, austin doesnt create more space between himself and KV?
28:05 don't know if KV deflects the pass or just disrupts the vision enough for Tavon not to catch it, but KV is with him step for step and the ball is incomplete.
quote:once again, are we watching the same plays? players x and z are defenders and y is the receiver. by your logic, at the end of this play, all players are running deep, player y is deeper than player x, and player z is deeper than player y. player z is the only one close to path of the football, which hits him in the hands. Therefore, player x is given credit for the coverage n the play. makes sense.
42:25 blankets Tavon in the slot for an incomplete deep pass; Texas safety almost intercepts
quote:again, i dont know what to tell you. it should be blatantly obvious to anyone with a passing knowledge of football that austin was double teamed. it was combo man coverage with KV to the inside and thompson on the inside. the defense is basically conceding an entire player. noone outside of calvin johnson is getting the ball in such a spot. yet you describe this as KV's "blanket" coverage.
44:20 blankets Tavon in the end zone. Geno has to throw it away
50:05 beautiful shoot the gap tackle for loss; was lined up as an OLB.
quote:again, what? geno smith is hit from behind about a second and a half after the ball is snapped, and you credit KV? you dont seem to understand the difference between a normal sack and a coverage sack.
58:12 blankets Tavon in the slot; Geno sacked/fumbles; Texas recovers ball for a TD in the endzone
1:04:45 blankets Tavon; Geno sacked
quote:ive seen this show before...
1:07:45 blankets Tavon; Geno sacked
quote:agree, and he is usually an excellent open field tackler, that;s not his weakness.
1:17:05 quick pass to Tavon in slot who slips cuz the pass was off, but KV was right on top of him, wouldn't have went anywhere
quote:well that was his responsibility. also - trigonomics is amazing. see my earlier comment on this play.
2:01:22 Fantastic diving tackle. Tavon goes in motion for a reverse; KV makes a big stop from the other side of the field for a short gain
2:12:00 blankets Tavon; Geno looking Tavon's way; Geno arm hit; fumble; Texas ball
quote:noone is arguing against this
I think everyone agrees he is an upgrade at our weakest defensive position and could be a solid starter.
quote:people do, and should hope for/expect greatness from top 15 picks
I don't see anyone declaring him a pro bowler.
quote:Let me search for a post I made elsewhere, but just know that the 15 pick dating back to 1990 has produced no current or future hall of famers and only 1 player that could be a perennial pro bowler(JPP but it's way too early to call that one).
people do, and should hope for/expect greatness from top 15 picks
quote:expectations for what? what are you arguing?
You are the one blowing expectations out of proportion.
quote:i see jason pierre-paul, brian cushing, derrick johnson, albert haynesworth...and that's only going back 11 years, and only on defense
nobody that was an elite talent throughout their career.