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This happens every single second a child is in a public school. Regardless of the topic at hand.
That is sooooooo true.


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opposition to free thought.

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Coercion by authority IS force


Wait.... Aren't you a liberal dem?

ETA: I think it's pretty wrong the school made it mandatory. I just though the irony was funny.
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NC_Tigah
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It is also quite dubious that these assemblies were "student-initiated"
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Although the Rankin County School District had not received a notice of the lawsuit Thursday afternoon, a spokesperson issued a written statement stating:

"Our students have the freedom to organize student-led and planned meetings and the assembly in question was student led and organized. The meetings were not mandatory."

William Burgess, legal coordinator of the Appignani Humanist Legal Center, recognizes that the school claims the assembly was "student-led and organized"
So one side and/or the other is lying. One side and/or the other is 100% FOS.

I'm suspicious malignant atheist activists operating under the name "American Humanist Association" would be highly prone to other acts of duplicity as well. Their all out PR campaign in advance of the school even receiving a copy of the complaint is not exactly playing a clean game either. Then again, even the most dishonest sots probably tell the truth occasionally. Time will tell.
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re: Mississippi public school forces students to listen to Jesus lecture
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I'm suspicious malignant atheist activists operating under the name "American Humanist Association" would be highly prone to other acts of duplicity as well. Their all out PR campaign in advance of the school even receiving a copy of the complaint is not exactly playing a clean game either. Then again, even the most dishonest sots probably tell the truth occasionally. Time will tell.

That's rich. A PUBLIC school principal is holding prayer meetings during school time in the gym but it's the ATHEISTS who are suspicious?

The principal is lying about who initiated these assemblies, at the very least. Sure, he might have utilized some students to "initiate" his prayer meetings because he thought he might get away with it in a technical sense, but that doesn't amount to the true initiation nor is it legally permissable, anyway, when it amounts to public sponsorship of religion, as this clearly was.


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Hey Rex are you equally offended by this?

LINK


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NC_Tigah
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The principal is lying about who initiated these assemblies, at the very least.
According to an atheist's group unwilling to even call itself atheist? Yeah, if it's all the same, I'll wait for actual facts surrounding the complaint to surface, before determining the principal is lying. I'll reserve judgement regarding any veracity of complaints the POS atheist organization filed as well.
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as this clearly was


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Are you aware that "humanist" is a very ubiquitous and accepted term for "atheist"?

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Don't get in between a Rex and his witch hunt.


Leave no stone unturned Rexie, and if it is proven that it was student initiated I have complete faith in you to diflect or go MIA.


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I like how the people that are so adamant about recognizing the 2nd Amendment think parts of the 1st Amendment are easily dispensable.


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Don't get in between a Rex and his witch hunt.

This writer, Stephen D. Foster, is leaning so far to the liberal left that he has to take three turns to the left just to make a right. I'll bet the hand on his clock runs backward.
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Mike da Tigah
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I like how the people that are so adamant about recognizing the 2nd Amendment think parts of the 1st Amendment are easily dispensable.


Agreed, but it is much like those who are in favor of part of the 1st amendment dealing with congress making no law respecting an establishment of religion, yet forgetting to quote the part right after it dealing with prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

What is clearly NOT in there though, is anything that says freedom from religion. Nope... Not there. Nothing prevents anyone from being exposed to someone else's freedom of religion, nor does it sanction a secularization or sanitizing of America or it's institutions. It was NEVER intended by our founders to be used as a vise to exclude equal participation, just not sanctioning a particular sect over another by the federal government. Equal participation is quite clearly a very American ideal. Mandating adherence to a set belief system is not. We all can agree with that, and even according to my faith, I don't see anything that endorses that, just free will. Not silencing though.



NC_Tigah
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Are you aware that "humanist" is a very ubiquitous and accepted term for "atheist"?
humanist
hu·man·ist [hyoo-muh-nist or, often, yoo-]
noun
1. a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.

2. a person devoted to or versed in the humanities.

3. a student of human nature or affairs.

4. a classical scholar.

5. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) any one of the scholars of the Renaissance who pursued and disseminated the study and understanding of the cultures of ancient Rome and Greece, and emphasized secular, individualistic, and critical thought.

6. of or pertaining to human affairs, nature, welfare, or values.

7. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) of or pertaining to the humanities or classical scholarship, especially that of the Renaissance humanists.

8. of or pertaining to philosophical or scientific humanism.

"Humanist" is a term referring to many things. Certainly agnosticism could be related to #8. Atheists latch on to the term, not for accuracy, but rather for its subdued impact.


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I'd much rather my children hear the teachings of Jeus than the teaching of Obama.
But that's just me.
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BBONDS25
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Which part of the first are you referencing?


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REG861
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re: Mississippi public school forces students to listen to Jesus lecture
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Agreed, but it is much like those who are in favor of part of the 1st amendment dealing with congress making no law respecting an establishment of religion, yet forgetting to quote the part right after it dealing with prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

What is clearly NOT in there though, is anything that says freedom from religion. Nope... Not there. Nothing prevents anyone from being exposed to someone else's freedom of religion, nor does it sanction a secularization or sanitizing of America or it's institutions. It was NEVER intended by our founders to be used as a vise to exclude equal participation, just not sanctioning a particular sect over another by the federal government. Equal participation is quite clearly a very American ideal. Mandating adherence to a set belief system is not. We all can agree with that, and even according to my faith, I don't see anything that endorses that, just free will. Not silencing though.




I'm in agreement when I say that I think groups like the ACLU are over-zealous in suing to get christmas decorations taken down, etc. But this is an open and shut case to me. You can't sanction proselytizing in public schools. It's fine if students want to get together privately or in groups to pray, or discuss Christianity, but the school has absolutely NO business forcing students to listen to Christian teachings.


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re: Mississippi public school forces students to listen to Jesus lecture
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I like how the people that are so adamant about recognizing the 2nd Amendment think parts of the 1st Amendment are easily dispensable.


Reading it wrong. 1st is to protect religion from the government, not government from religion.


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...the school has absolutely NO business forcing students to listen to Christian teachings.


Quite correct.

But they were not forced.


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Mike da Tigah
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re: Mississippi public school forces students to listen to Jesus lecture
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I'm in agreement when I say that I think groups like the ACLU are over-zealous in suing to get christmas decorations taken down, etc. But this is an open and shut case to me. You can't sanction proselytizing in public schools. It's fine if students want to get together privately or in groups to pray, or discuss Christianity, but the school has absolutely NO business forcing students to listen to Christian teachings.


Forcing is a Rexism.

Nobody is sure what took place yet.

Of course nobody is authorizing forcing kids to listen to Christian teachings, but it doesn't appear to be quite the case that Rex wants it to be.



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re: Mississippi public school forces students to listen to Jesus lecture
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I like how the people that are so adamant about recognizing the 2nd Amendment think parts of the 1st Amendment are easily dispensable.


Reading it wrong. 1st is to protect religion from the government, not government from religion.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

That is the entirety of the relevant text. It has been endlessly expounded by the Supreme and federal courts, constitutional and legal scholars, etc since our founding to discern its meaning. supreme Court jurisprudence holds that the government, particularly in the realm of public education, may not promote or endorse religion. A mandatory assembly to extol the virtues of Christianity is plain violation of the establishment clause.


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A mandatory assembly to extol the virtues of Christianity is plain violation of the establishment clause.


No one disagrees.

It was not mandatory.


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