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I B Freeman
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all the more reason the government should get out of the school business and just give the money to the families and let them pick the school they want.





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Wolfhound45
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all the more reason the government should get out of the school business and just give the money to the families and let them pick the school they want.


I believe that the State has a vested interest in a well educated public. Problem is, as in any State derived solution, it eventually devolves towards the lowest common denominator, money and power.

That is all public education is now. My children have never been in it and never will be.






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deltaland
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How many children were harmed at this event?


None. I'm all for religion being in schools but I think what this school did was wrong..you can't force the kids to attend and hold them there.

If this assembly was optional or a school has a "christian group" where kids who are curious or want to learn about religion can join and take part in studies then this wouldn't be a problem.






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Jake88
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I've had some unpleasant personal experience with Rankin County and their self-righteous, hypocritical Christians.



They frown upon furries too?






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anc
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I live in this school district. My children do not attend here but we have friends and neighbors that do. I am somewhat close to an administrator at the school.

I have worried for a while that this was going to happen. It was just going to take the right parent who was pissed off at the world to come along and have their kid in high school. I have said this to the administrator in the past.

Now, here's the story that I have been told.

Pinelake Church, the local megachurch, has had a long relationship with the school district. They sponsor school events and because its a 10,000 member church in a suburban community, most of the kids at NW Rankin that go to church go here.

Anyway, they have been involved in school assemblies for years, and they are not mandatory. The kids can go and hear the message, go and get out of class, or sit in their homeroom and study. At a recent one, apparently some people got upset and got their parents upset and raised a ruckus at the school that went no where because the kids in question sat in their homeroom.

At the last one, the parents had the kids go, filmed it and have brought the lawsuits. It was not mandatory, but the video shows teachers "blocking the exits." with commentary from the student behind the lawsuit.

Its very damning - and I expect the lawsuit to move forward. Pinelake has been told that they will probably never have another assembly at Northwest Rankin regardless of how this comes out.








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Porky
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They were probably standing in front of the doorways so the students couldn't sneak back out and stroll the halls while peaking in on classrooms that had babes who didn't attend. I know because I had that kind of brain at that age.


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GoBigOrange86
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Problem is, as in any State derived solution, it eventually devolves towards the lowest common denominator, money and power.


Spot on.

Education has been dramatically inflated. The same thing is happening in college now.



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anc
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Thats my thought as well.

A teacher friend of mine says the kid may be anonymous in the lawsuit, but he has a big mouth so everyone knows who he is.






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Wolfhound45
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anc


Great run down. Thanks for posting.

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Anyway, they have been involved in school assemblies for years, and they are not mandatory. The kids can go and hear the message, go and get out of class, or sit in their homeroom and study. At a recent one, apparently some people got upset and got their parents upset and raised a ruckus at the school that went no where because the kids in question sat in their homeroom.

At the last one, the parents had the kids go, filmed it and have brought the lawsuits. It was not mandatory, but the video shows teachers "blocking the exits." with commentary from the student behind the lawsuit.


Here is the heart of the matter.

1 - the parents had the kids go

Really? Looking for a fight? Over a voluntary assembly? Pretty sad parenting in my opinion.

2 - blocking the exits

In my opinion, doubtful. Why would teachers "block" the exits at a voluntary assembly?

Bottom line, I will wait for the video to be shown on MSNBC. I am sure we will get the "truth" then.







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deltaland
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They were probably standing in front of the doorways so the students couldn't sneak back out and stroll the halls while peaking in on classrooms that had babes who didn't attend. I know because I had that kind of brain at that age.


Exactly. They probably had a set time to where nobody could enter or leave and to keep people from wandering the halls.

This entire things is stupid since it isn't mandatory..just some idiots looking to get lawsuit money and be general douchebags. I hope it gets struck down in court






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Rex
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Thank you for relating your experience in the matter.

The lawsuit alleges that attendance was mandatory. It is also quite dubious that these assemblies were "student-initiated", not that that matters, anyway, given the USSC decision in the Santa Fe School District case. Also, it is unbelievable that the principal of the school would allow general assemblies for other religions or other philosophies that just might happen to pop into some students' heads.

I would like to know the relationship of the principal to the church. Is he a member, himself?

Edited to add: All these posters protesting that the school didn't use force are f.o.s. Coercion by authority IS force, and then blocking the exits with authority figures compounds the offense.







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Porky
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Exactly. They probably had a set time to where nobody could enter or leave and to keep people from wandering the halls.

This entire things is stupid since it isn't mandatory..just some idiots looking to get lawsuit money and be general douchebags. I hope it gets struck down in court


Yea...there's nothing to it. I've been on both sides of this scenario, playing gatekeeper and escapee. I used to find it entertaining to get at a sharp angle ("in the cut") of a classroom doorway and make faces at friends and babes while the teacher in charge was oblivious.






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Wolfhound45
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Coercion by authority IS force, and then blocking the exits with authority figures compounds the offense.


So, in other words, a Progressive methodology? Sounds about right.

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I would like to know the relationship of the principal to the church. Is he a member, himself?


That is a valid concern. No getting around it.

Are you just as concerned about the political ideology of those who are not objectionable to you?

Don't have to answer the question. I already know the answer.






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L.A.
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Incredibly, this kind of thing actually goes on in California as well. Not the "blocking the exits" part, but the religious assemblies in public schools. I've never understood why administrators allow that.

I would favor a lecture series, perhaps once a month, that exposed kids to the religious beliefs of others. Have a different priest, minister, rabbi, iman, guru, shaman, etc each tme and let them talk about their religion's beliefs and practices and let the kids ask questions. That would be educational and hopefully promote some awareness and tolerance for other's views.

M2C



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Homesick Tiger
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but the religious assemblies in public schools. I've never understood why administrators allow that.


If the assemblies are mandatory - I agree. Voluntary - no problem with it.

This scenario kinda resembles my thoughts on voting for governmental public offices at churches. Where's the separation?






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Porky
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Have a different priest, minister, rabbi, iman, guru, shaman, etc each tme and let them talk about their religion's beliefs and practices and let the kids ask questions. That would be educational and hopefully promote some tolerance for other's views.

That's a good idea. We did that at a facility for juvenile offenders where I once taught and the "residents" loved it. But they couldn't leave.






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BBONDS25
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I need to read the santa fe case. I have a feeling it doesn't say what you are saying it does. You know the cite, by chance?





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L.A.
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Voluntary - no problem with it.
I gotta tell you, I even have a problem with voluntary assemblies if local churches are running them. On govt owned property it seems to me to be a conflict of interest between church and state.






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deltaland
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All these posters protesting that the school didn't use force are f.o.s. Coercion by authority IS force, and then blocking the exits with authority figures compounds the offense.


Besides your biased article, where does it prove force was used? Other links have been provided stating that the meeting wasn't mandatory. The students went in there by choice, then video'd the doors being blocked and made a false claim.

The doors weren't blocked to force all the students to be in there, they were blocked to keep the ones who CHOSE to attend to remain there rather than leave and wander the hallways. My HS did this exact same thing with devotional assemblies..you didn't have to go but if you left to attend then you had to remain at the assembly. IF you didn't go, then you stayed in the classroom.






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joshnorris14
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They were all harmed by indoctrination into superstition and opposition to free thought.


This happens every single second a child is in a public school. Regardless of the topic at hand.






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